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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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Hazardswan · 16/11/2018 21:22

Re again the UN child poverty and benefits. The amount of posters knocking those on benefits is also high. People have fallen for the "work should pay" line and somehow that equals not increasing wages but driving benefits lower than low.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2018 21:25

Some women who have always been financially independent and / or never abused cannot understand the rl situation & the problems that abused women face

It is a huge failure of empathy & imagination
usually driven by privilege

plaidlife · 16/11/2018 21:27

susanwalker I think you are quite right about why many people voted for Brexit. I know people who did, decent kind people but uneducated and poor. It was easy to persuade them that they would get better off if they voted out because they wanted it to be true.

jasjas1973 · 16/11/2018 21:32

@KennDodd

Maybe the UK would vote OUT in a referendum to leave the UN? after all what have they ever done for us? all our money (insert made up number) we send to them, could be spent on our NHS & they make us take all the worlds refugees too!

But hang on, surely no one would be stupid enough to believe anything like that...

Peregrina · 16/11/2018 21:37

Andrea Leadsom is convening a working group of five Cabinet Brexiteers to re-write the Brexit deal, sources say. Gove, Fox, Mordaunt, Grayling, and Leadsom...

Shouldn't they have been pooling their ideas two years ago? It's too late now - May's deal is the one agreed with the rest of the EU and is the one on the table. I doubt if the EU has any appetite for people who mostly snipe from the sidelines.

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 21:38

{But hang on, surely no one would be stupid enough to believe anything like that...}
The target market for this might be the people who put comments on the Express comments section, but you might need to use shorter words.

Peregrina · 16/11/2018 21:39

Perhaps we could also have a referendum about leaving NATO - we might then not feel obliged to rush into whatever war the Americans want us to support.

Thomasinaa · 16/11/2018 21:40

There's an article in the Welt online about JRM wearing suits that are too big for him. Concluding that it's very calculated - aimed at making people feel sympathetic towards him. And concluding that he is unfortunately a man of the future.
"die Entscheidung, sich konservativ, aber unbeholfen anzuziehen, macht ihn nahbar und unterhaltsam"

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 21:41

The EU have said MINOR amendments will be considered.
Much more of this stupidity and I could see them abandoning that idea.
Which part of NO MORE CAKE is too difficult for this government?

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 21:43

{ unfortunately a man of the future.}
The future of what though?
The Irish times commenting on Moggy's suit said it was his daddy's and that he will never grow into it.

bofsy1 · 16/11/2018 22:14

It is in the lap of the gods now.

May it all work out.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 22:34

Stephen Barclay has been the victim of Wikipedia vandalism

He's been named as Ollie Robbins footrest, as well as allegedly having pet budgies named Phillip and Theresa.

Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!
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ClairefromMergersAcquisitions · 16/11/2018 23:42

Fawning interview with Theresa May in the Daily Mail - looking at the comments section - the readers aren't buying into the Theresa-love!

HesterThrale · 17/11/2018 05:40

Andrea Leadsom is convening a working group of five Cabinet Brexiteers to re-write the Brexit deal, sources say. Gove, Fox, Mordaunt, Grayling, and Leadsom...

I’m aghast at this. What makes them think...? How many brain cells do they share? How much time do they have? (After the months this deal took.)
And is TM going to say:
“Thanks, guys - I could use a bit of help...”

I’m in France currently and Brexit is on the news a lot this week. I think it must be gripping good telly, if you’re not British. Sad

lonelyplanetmum · 17/11/2018 06:44

Andrea Leadsom (and her brain cell) are convening a working group of five Cabinet Brexiteers to re-write the Brexit deal, sources say. Gove, Fox, Mordaunt, Grayling, and Leadsom...

Three points on this, agreeing with Hester really:

  1. JRM and BJ launched a 'plan' too.It had more holes than a colender and lasted about 5 minutes.
2.They've all had over two years to have input on collective plans so it's beyond the 11 th hour to produce a back off an envelope job now.
  1. The EU have to agree to it-we just don't do collegiate do we.
frumpety · 17/11/2018 07:13

Lets be honest , those Cabinet Brexiteers have very little actual interest in re-writing the WA for the benefit of the country, it is solely about making noise and keeping their profile up. It also presents them with a get out of jail free card, they can say they tried and it would all have been marvellous if only someone had listened to them.

bellinisurge · 17/11/2018 07:35

If anyone has the stomach for it, here is a pretty good (if long) article from Coveney at RTÉ explaining what the hell has happened so far and, to an extent, how and why. You will need a cuppa first ...
Brexit: How the Deal was Done www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2018/1117/1011485-brexit/

bellinisurge · 17/11/2018 07:36

Sorry, Connelly not Coveney

1tisILeClerc · 17/11/2018 07:41

It is all just more 'theatre'.
A unanimous statement by 27 ambassadors, and Mr Barnier have said categorically that there will be NO MORE rewrites to the document although some minor adjustments might be possible.
Take it or leave it.
Theresa has 3 choices, Crash out (No deal), the plan approved by the EU or revoke A50 and remain in the EU.
The Independent yesterday had references to some European newspapers and Le Figaro's comments from readers about Mrs May's speech were so refreshingly thoughtful compared to the spouting of bollocks by the f$ckwits in the UK papers.

GoodStuffAnnie · 17/11/2018 08:40

If you watch one video watch this one.

Voice of sense and reason. Stop worrying!

mobile.twitter.com/Change_Britain/status/1063417795172622338

bellinisurge · 17/11/2018 08:49

Watched it. Amazing how an MP doesn't realise that we haven't left yet. Which is why the shitty predictions haven't happened.
What billions? Remain voters can be idiots too. Sounds like a job presentation.

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 17/11/2018 08:50

If the 5 cabinet members think they can get a better deal , I suggest they read that very good Connelly article or better still the withdrawal agreement itself instead of sound bites.

What on Earth are they thinking about?