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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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Staringcoat · 16/11/2018 20:02

Is the required talent and intelligence around in government any more?

^This!

Not a popular view but they need to be paid better in order to attract better quality candidates. And after this debacle is all over (in a decade or so or more) a new rule introduced that prospective MPs must have had a 10 year serious career (at least) before joining the HofC.

bellinisurge · 16/11/2018 20:02

@Minimammoth - his suit is terrible. I think Nicholas Soames that other posh boy called him third rate with a bad suit ( or something like that). Soames is a Remain supporter and, I think, a descendent of Churchill.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2018 20:02

His suits all look one size too big, like they were passed down from a bigger brother

bellinisurge · 16/11/2018 20:06

He's a big fake.

SusanWalker · 16/11/2018 20:06

I know Bellini - don't think I made myself clear. A large group of people, including my dsis, voted for brexit hoping it would improve their lot, when the reality will make them even poorer. Then to make things worse their vote is used by rich people to fulfil an ideological ideal and the government disregard the poverty driving some of the vote. And to top it all off a damming report which should be headline news and forcing the government to defend their record is drowned out by bloody brexit.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2018 20:06

bellini Soames is Churchill's grandson
His late dad, Christopher Soames, was a former UK ambassador to France and EU Commissioner for Trade

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2018 20:12

iirc, Kwasi Kwarteng, who has been promoted from PPS to junior minister, is Rudd's bf

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2018 20:13

All I know about Barclay is that he is a safe pair of hands and one of the very few Tory MPs who have never rebelled on any vote
So, May is going or loyalty as much as poss

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2018 20:14

going for loyalty

jasjas1973 · 16/11/2018 20:16

SusanWalker The UN report has been totally dismissed by the Government, indeed one minister said the UN should go to really poor countries like he has visited.

There have been other international reports into poverty in the UK over a number years, they ve all been ignored and focus grp after focus grp is content to see benefits cut further, which why they always get hammered.
Brexit isn't the reason this report will be covered up, its us :(

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2018 20:16

Amber Rudd urged Tory colleagues sending in letters of no confidence in Theresa May to “think again”.

i.e. withdraw the letters

Yup, loyalty

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2018 20:25

Voters punishing DUP ? Will it last ?

Sinn Fin down a little too, but it matters more for them in seats
Moderates gaining, extremists losing

Election Maps UK@ElectionMapsUK

Westminster Voting Intention (Northern Ireland):

DUP: 31% (-5)
SF: 27% (-2)
UUP: 15% (+5)
SDLP: 11% (-1)
ALL: 12% (+4)

Via
@Survation
, 20th Oct - 2nd Nov.

Changes w/ GE2017

Result in seats:

DUP: 9 (-1)
SF: 5 (-2)
UUP: 2 (+2)
SDLP: 1 (+1)

BestIsWest · 16/11/2018 20:34

Kwasi Kwarteng is the MP who was heavily criticised this week for mocking Jonathan Edwards (Plaid MP)’s accent in the HOC. Seems a mature individual.

KennDodd · 16/11/2018 20:37

@BigChocFrenzy

Problem with that poll is that it's not the public voting for leader of the Tory party, it's Tory party members and they're all 'no deal' nutters.

KennDodd · 16/11/2018 20:40

@jasjas1973

Maybe the Tories will suggest a referendum on U.N. membership if they are sticking their noses in and commenting on child poverty in our country. I bet a significant number of Tory party members would vote out.

bofsy1 · 16/11/2018 20:46

I'm afraid child or any other poverty does not hit their radar. Never really did. They live in a bubble and it is a disgrace.

Handbags at dawn on the other hand..... No problem.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 20:55

Tom Rayner @raynerskynews
Government sources confirm Theresa May held a call with “hundreds” of constituency party chairs earlier in a bid to persuade them to support her

My son has eaten my bratwurst. I'm not happy. But I have had mulled wine and maccas beckons. (sadly)

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2018 20:57

Kenn I was thinking of MPs who might be studying polls - they want to keep their seats next GE and May looks better able to deliver the votes than the contenders who would replace her

SusanWalker · 16/11/2018 21:02

John Redwood just very patronisingly told the boss of Siemens he was 'very welcome here' on any questions. The man spent the whole show talking up fantasy brexit.

prettybird · 16/11/2018 21:05

Re the UN Poverty investigation: the number of people on MN who have pointed out that the entire UC going to a single member of the household - usually the man - is an abuser's paradise. Sad

SwedishEdith · 16/11/2018 21:17

Yes, Kwarteng and Rudd must have some lively conversations.

SusanWalker · 16/11/2018 21:18

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BREXIT LATEST: Cabinet trouble gets worse for May... Andrea Leadsom is convening a working group of five Cabinet Brexiteers to re-write the Brexit deal, sources say. Gove, Fox, Mordaunt, Grayling, and Leadsom... They're meeting through next week
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Coordinated action from these five Brexiteers suggests they want to change the draft Brexit agreement so that they can stay in government and vote for it when the time comes. But if they can't....
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Another mass Cabinet walk out seems likely in the run up to the Meaningful Vote.

Peregrina · 16/11/2018 21:19

The government's complete refusal to recognise the issues around poverty and unfairness just shows they are delivering brexit without any understanding of why a large proportion of leave voters wanted it.

This is the key, I think, and other narratives like a fear of immigration is part of it. Apart from those out and out racists, which I don't think the majority are, when the population are doing nicely for themselves they don't need to look around and feel resentful about others. Then again, Cameron, May etc are so completely out of touch with most of the country, being firmly products of the south east of England. I loathed Thatcher, but coming from Lincolnshire, she did bring a different perspective.

SusanWalker · 16/11/2018 21:21

That was pointed out to TM at PMQs weeks ago pretty but nothing was ever done about it. She just reiterated that you can ask to have it paid separately, ignoring the fact that your abuser isn't going to agree to you asking.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2018 21:22

Brexiters thinking they can renegotiate a better deal are even more delusional than the rest