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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/11/2018 15:29

Poverty causing 'misery' in UK, and ministers are in denial, says UN official

www.bbc.com/news/uk-46236642

Philip Alston, special rapporteur on extreme poverty, said despite being in the one of the world's richest countries he had encountered "misery".

A fifth of the population, amounting to 14m people, are living in poverty and levels of child poverty are "staggering", the Australian said.

The government rejected his analysis, pointing to rising household incomes.

[...]He warned that the poor would "bear the brunt" of the expected impact of Brexit on the UK economy, and said the fall in the value of the pound had already cost low-income families £400 a year.

"In my meetings with the government, it was clear to me that the impact of Brexit on people in poverty is an afterthought," he said.

Professor Alston's report will be presented to the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva next year.

A spokeswoman for the Department for Work and Pensions said: "We completely disagree with this analysis."

She said that household incomes have "never been higher", income inequality has fallen and there are one million fewer people living in absolute poverty compared with 2010.

DGRossetti · 16/11/2018 15:32

Love this. When they say Brexit has "torn apart families", it specifically includes Tory MPs

By The Sword Divided - powerful 80s Sunday Night drama (In the "Poldark" spot ....) set in the 1640s English Civil War.

Funny how some periods in time have impressed so much ... the civil war being plundered for imagery ... there was even a band "New Model Army" ...

Mrsr8 · 16/11/2018 15:42

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/11/2018 15:44

Whoops sorry, missed a page and didn't see it was already posted on here!

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2018 15:48

After seeing that looong-winded letter of no confidence from Mark Francois MP,
I understand why the delay in knowing if there are 48 letters:

Brady hasn't finished reading the bloody things !
He probably keeps falling asleep mid-read

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/11/2018 15:55

Tim Shipman
‏*@ShippersUnbound*
NEW Amber Rudd returning to cabinet as work and pensions secretary

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2018 15:58

The Brutal Reality Of Brexit

https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2018/11/16/the-brutal-reality-of-brexit/#329b1a905fb1

The U.K. Government has struck a deal that allows Britain to have its cake and eat it - but the cake tastes so disgusting that no-one wants to eat it. 😂

The hard-Brexit European Research Group (ERG) seems to think that if it succeeds in replacing Mrs. May with a hard Brexiter, he or she could negotiate a deal more to its liking.

On the other side of the political divide, the Labour party seems to think that if it succeeds in replacing Mrs. May with Jeremy Corbyn, he will be able to negotiate a deal more to its liking.

Both are deluded.
The EU has no incentive whatsoever to renegotiate any of the deal.

The road to this point has been long and painful, and the U.K. government has negotiated in bad faith throughout,

repeatedly saying one thing to the EU then the opposite to its own politicians and the British press,

and hurling insults when things don’t go its way.

There is very little goodwill left on the EU side, and negotiation fatigue has well and truly set in.

DGRossetti · 16/11/2018 16:03

Amber Rudd returning to cabinet as work and pensions secretary

Eventually, there will be no need to resign from cabinet - just get a different job. If only the little people workers had that protection.

prettybird · 16/11/2018 16:20

Mark Francois' letter in summary:

Theresa May has experts Civil Servants working for her who don't BELIEVE..... We still want our cake and to eat it and anyone who says we can't is WRONG

DGRossetti · 16/11/2018 16:24

Theresa May has Civil Servants working for her who don't BELIEVE.

Is Brexit an article of faith now ? Are we going to see an eerie return to the days when Catholics Remainers are barred from office ?

FishesaPlenty · 16/11/2018 16:30

“I do believe in Brexit! I do! I DO!"

DGRossetti · 16/11/2018 16:35

reminds me ...

I have only one firm belief about the American political system, and that is this: God is a Republican and Santa Claus is a Democrat.

God is an elderly or, at any rate, middle aged male, a stern fellow, patriarchal rather than paternal and a great believer in rules and regulations. He holds men accountable for their actions. He has little apparent concern for the material well being of the disadvantaged. He is politically connected, socially powerful and holds the mortgage on literally everything in the world. God is difficult. God is unsentimental. It is very hard to get into God's heavenly country club.

Santa Claus is another matter. He's cute. He's nonthreatening. He's always cheerful. And he loves animals. He may know who's been naughty and who's been nice, but he never does anything about it. He gives everyone everything they want without the thought of quid pro quo. He works hard for charities, and he's famously generous to the poor. Santa Claus is preferable to God in every way but one: There is no such thing as Santa Claus.

(P J O'Rourke. Whose views on Brexit would be hilarious, if not comfortable or correct ...)

I think Brexit is the Santa Claus route ....

Mightybanhammer · 16/11/2018 16:37

New dexeu minister announced

missclimpson · 16/11/2018 16:37

Stephen Barclay is new Brexit secretary. Who he?
Buggins turn.

Butterymuffin · 16/11/2018 16:39

Who?

Motheroffourdragons · 16/11/2018 16:41

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LarkDescending · 16/11/2018 16:43

Re Steve Barclay (16:37)

The Guardian

LarkDescending · 16/11/2018 16:44

*Stephen Barclay

mostdays · 16/11/2018 16:48

NE Cambs. Lots of brexiters in some parts of that constituency.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 16:52

Jack Maidment @jrmaidment
Steve Baker says leading Brexiteers should "draw lots" to decide who should be their PM candidate.

DRAW LOTS TO BE PRIME MINISTER.

Quote: "We would need to stick them in a room... decide amongst yourselves even if you have top draw lots which one of you is our candidate."

Full: "What we would need to do is identify the plausible candidates, we would need to stick them in a room and say let's not repeat the mistake of last time, decide amongst yourselves even if you have to draw lots which one of you is our candidate as a Brexiteer."

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LarkDescending · 16/11/2018 16:52

Barclay ex Barclays Bank (presumably no relation - likewise the Telegraph-owning Barclay brothers)??

Hasenstein · 16/11/2018 16:53

I think his description as an "ultraloyal" Leave supporter may have something to do with his meteoric rise to anonymity.

BertramKibbler · 16/11/2018 16:54

He’ll be a good Pointless answer in a few years!

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 16:55

It's so bad that NO TORY WANTS TO BE PRIME MINISTER!

Instead they are suggesting drawing lots to see who gets the short straw and wins the job.

If course, you could also read it as the ERG understanding that whoever they put up, is merely the stalking horse, they have no chance of winning and it will wreck their political career forever more.

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Hazardswan · 16/11/2018 16:59

PM = short straw? Pretty much literally? Wow. We really have sunk low as a nation.