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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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PineappleSunrise · 16/11/2018 13:36

And speaking of positioning for a future leadership bid:

Jo Johnson: the inside story of Brexit and where it all went wrong

From writing the manifesto to his fraught time in government, the MP relives the key moments in the saga — and offers a way forward

www.ft.com/content/92974b74-e8d9-11e8-885c-e64da4c0f981

Quite a firm appeal to the business-orientated FT reading crowd, who have been a) more on top of what's actually happening than average and b) vocally critical of the government's Brexit approach for many months now.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 16/11/2018 13:40

So it is Boris - who is to the right though - Putin?

Hazardswan · 16/11/2018 13:40

Ooo. Where's the image from red ? Is the photo timed and dated?

Not a good look for bojo.

Mrsr8 · 16/11/2018 13:51

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BoreOfWhabylon · 16/11/2018 13:52

Whew! Found you all.

I'd lost touch with these splendid threads. Thanks Red et al Flowers

PineappleSunrise · 16/11/2018 13:55

Quite a hardnosed assessment of the current situation from David Frum, Dubya's former speechwriter and a "never Trump" conservative strategist:

Mr. Brexit
The president encouraged Britain to leave the EU—but now that things are falling apart, he’s abdicating his responsibility to help.

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/brexit-crisis-trump-abandoning-uk-and-eu/575977/

I found these bits especially interesting:

American presidents have historically had their own view of the U.K.-EU relationship: They wanted Britain in Europe, both to expedite trade and commerce across the Channel—and because they counted on Britain to veto anti-American actions by other European countries, especially France.

British governments tended to agree with the United States that the defense of Europe was a job for the U.S.-led nato alliance—not for some autonomous European defense force. British governments usually opposed state ownership, efforts to build protectionist barriers around Europe, and other dirigiste industrial policies that ran counter to U.S. economic interests.

An interesting angle to bear in mind: for American conservatives who actually want to maintain the American order, Britain was very usefully positioned. After Brexit? Not so much. (And the EU, as has been said here before, may very well be looking forward to being unconstrained.)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/11/2018 13:58

Laura Kuenssberg
‏*@bbclaurak*

  1. 2 more names, Marcus Fysh and Chris Green, to add to those calling for May to go - don't necessarily expect to hear anything from Brady, who is the person who really knows, until Monday as to whether threshold has been reached
  2. Hear there are Remainer names as well as Brexiteer names on the list to become the next Brexit Secretary - if it's a Remainer then I wonder if that would mean more letters emerge
RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 14:00

John Stevens @johnestevens
Brexiteer and ERG member Jack Lopresti: "I fully support the Prime Minster and the Draft Withdrawal Agreement"

Henry Zeffman @hzeffman
Not only is this clear evidence of a split in the ERG... his wife is Andrea Jenkyns, who has put in a letter herself

Esther Webber @estwebber
Love this. When they say Brexit has "torn apart families", it specifically includes Tory MPs

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Buteo · 16/11/2018 14:05

Lopresti's consitutuency includes Airbus at Filton doesn't it?

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2018 14:10

Arborea I loved that JohnBull Tweet !! 😂😂

Now whenever I hear Gove mentioned, I hear ^^

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/11/2018 14:17

Beth Rigby
‏*@BethRigby*
NEW: @SteveBakerHW gives clear warning to those Brexiteers in cabinet who might choose to stay on & serve under May: ‘You can’t be a plausible leadership candidate if you stay in cabinet’ > interesting that

PineappleSunrise · 16/11/2018 14:20

It's like Steve Baker is running the Conservative party from the shadows, isn't it?

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 14:26

OK another minor diversion (OT) but this is some 'fun' for tomorrow, the French protest over fuel prices.
www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/map-shows-locations-of-planned-fuel-price-protests-in-france

Hi Vis jackets are required to be carried in cars in case of breakdown.
Of particular note is the interactive map which shows Reunion, French territory to the east of Madagascar. Inclusivity, even if they aren't planning to join the protest there.

GD12 · 16/11/2018 14:37

The ERG want a hard Brexit. They'll try and force a leadership contest then push through a no deal. Evil.

Motheroffourdragons · 16/11/2018 14:39

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ZazieQueneau · 16/11/2018 14:47

“Poverty envoy says callous policies driven by political desire for social re-engineering”

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 14:48

Mother.
Yes I knew but it is getting too far OT for those in the UK.

missclimpson · 16/11/2018 14:49

They are planning to assemble here at a local supermarket dear to your heart 1tisILeClerc. Will DH be able to struggle through to the fish stall in the market? Almost as exciting as Brexit. 😀

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 14:56

Missclimpson.
I would be more worried about you knowing where I live if there weren't a couple of technical errors in your post.
Mind you I am concerned about MN being hacked anyway.
I am not saying my cooking is bad but even the mice are committing suicide!

missclimpson · 16/11/2018 15:02

Um our local Leclerc is the rallying point. Nothing to do with where you might live!

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 15:20

Phew, my cover isn't blown!

missclimpson · 16/11/2018 15:21

😀

SusanWalker · 16/11/2018 15:25

From the guardian article

He told a press conference in London:

Austerity Britain was in breach of four UN human rights agreements relating to women, children, disabled people and economic and social rights. “If you got a group of misogynists in a room and said how can we make this system work for men and not for women they would not have come up with too many ideas that are not already in place,” he said.

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