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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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Mrsr8 · 16/11/2018 10:09

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Somerville · 16/11/2018 10:09

Make no mistake, Gove is not to be trusted.

Hear, hear.

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 16/11/2018 10:09

If Gove ends up as pm then it will be no deal .Especially as he wasn’t to renegotiate

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 16/11/2018 10:10

Wants not wasn’t !

borntobequiet · 16/11/2018 10:11

As the badger was apparently served from Tupperware, with rice. I seem to be incapable of finishing a post in one today, perhaps it’s the unaccustomed sunshine. Hola, everyone.

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bananafish · 16/11/2018 10:12

I should namechange for this, but can't be bothered. Employed at something once that I meant I had to work closely with Gove (I'm not there anymore) and he is truly odious. Loathed by the entire department as well which is quite the achievement. The thought of him as PM is just depressing.

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 10:14

{Make no mistake, Gove is not to be trusted.}
He should stay in Defra, in charge of looking after snakes in the grass.

{It has an extra resonance given our previous 'no deal' squirrel eating discussions.}
I think Tufty is living under my floorboards. I don't want to eat him but I might have to have a strict word about his nocturnal running around shenanigans.

mostdays · 16/11/2018 10:14

Why is Boris so quiet?

Notquiterichenough · 16/11/2018 10:15

banana he strikes me as so single minded, he actually can't see out of his bubble. Like, he has a plan and he will follow it through, regardless of what anyone else says or thinks. Dictator type?

Notquiterichenough · 16/11/2018 10:16

Boris wants the job, but not now, maybe? Frankly, who wants it right now?

PineappleSunrise · 16/11/2018 10:17

Fintan O'Toole has written quite a good article on the roots of English Conservative Europhobia:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/16/brexit-paranoid-fantasy-fintan-otoole

'Thatcher literally carried in her handbag maps showing German expansion under the Nazis. This was a mental cartography that English conservatism could not transcend – the map of a Europe that may no longer exist in reality, but within which its imagination remains imprisoned.

“Europe,” Barnett writes, “moved on from the second world war and Britain didn’t.” One might go so far as to say that England never got over winning the war.'

mostdays · 16/11/2018 10:18

If 48 letters are in, I think May could survive, because as you say, who actually wants to be PM at this point?

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 10:19

Although crashing out would be catastrophic I have a little vision of the 27 EU leaders standing in a circle around Mrs May (or whichever leader) and them saying in unison, in 27 languages 'Just f345 off'.
I like moments of mild stupidity, people talk to you nicely (although being a bit patronising) and offer you biscuits.

Tanith · 16/11/2018 10:20

I have just finished the Badger thread GrinGrin

I had set aside this morning to bring my paperwork up to date...

bananafish · 16/11/2018 10:22

Notquiterichenough He is just very sure of himself and not particularly open minded. He is also, surprisingly for a politician, pretty unlikeable one on one, and so bulldozes his way through rather than get people onside. None of those things are qualities the country needs right now in a PM....

BorisBogtrotter · 16/11/2018 10:23

Gove will run.

BiglyBadgers · 16/11/2018 10:25

That's lovely of you to say Violetparis. I'm doing alright. Just had to take some time away from stuff to get my self back on track. I probably won't be posting much but thought I should wave and say hi Smile

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 10:25

Christopher Hope @christopherhope
NEW Brexiteer sources: the threshold of 48 letters of no confidence in Theresa May will be passed today. They are expecting a no confidence vote in the PM on Tuesday. #BrexitChaos

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1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 10:25

{“Europe,” Barnett writes, “moved on from the second world war and Britain didn’t.” }
That is such a good observation.
Working in Spain a while back I referred to 'the war' (I was meaning WW2) and he said the date was wrong as the war finished in 1939, the end of the Spanish Civil war.

lonelyplanetmum · 16/11/2018 10:26

I was reading too quickly and when Mrsr8 said Who did Mogg suggest yesterday? -Raab

I sort of thought it meant who did Mogg suggest in a badger recipe.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 16/11/2018 10:26

Still pondering the Raab...the only saving grace is that he appears to be the only Brexiteer in the country who can admit to a mistake. This could bode well.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 10:26

Paul Waugh @paulwaugh
All Govt whips have just been told to cancel Friday constituency engagements and convene in Parliament today, one source tells me. Make of that what you will?

Beth Rigby @bethrigby
Have this confirmed by a source close to the whips office. They are heading back to SW1. Source tells me it must now be likely that confidence vote happening. “Got to be close if not there already”

I think we are moving to when not if...

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FishesaPlenty · 16/11/2018 10:27

Roadkill and rice. Preppers paradise.

lonelyplanetmum · 16/11/2018 10:28

If she survives it would people like Mogg step down completely as a point of honour?

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