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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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ginandtonicformeplease · 16/11/2018 09:32

I really must stop lurking on both the Westminstenders and the Trump threads - I need to choose one or the other, both is too bloody depressing. And I get no work done.

ClashCityRocker · 16/11/2018 09:32

Sky News Breaking
(@SkyNewsBreak)
Sky sources: All government whips have been told to cancel any engagements today and return to London as a source close to the whip's office says a no confidence vote in the Prime Minister is now "likely"

November 16, 2018

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/11/2018 09:33

I heard some of McDonnell this morning but missed this bit and don't have access to iplayer at the moment to see how he delivered the lines. Did anyone catch it?

Mike Galsworthy
‏*@mikegalsworthy*

Amazing!!

@johnmcdonnellMP just blasted a surprise on @BBCr4today ...

He was quizzed about all the MPs demanding a #PeoplesVote in Parliament yesterday.

What does he think of that?

“They’re reflecting Labour Party policy” he said.

Interviewer was floored for a while.

BiglyBadgers · 16/11/2018 09:36

Morning folks. I used to hang out here quite a bit but life and health got the better of me. Of course, now the proverbial has hit the fan I come crawling back in the sure knowledge that if anyone knows what the hell is going on its on this thread and if it's not than there is no going on to know about.

On the subject of an election DH and I had a conversation about this this morning. He is a full on Corbyn fan and even he has reached the point with labours brexit shambles where he says he just doesn't know who he would vote for anymore if a GE was called. Unless Corbyn gets that fence post out his backside and manages to push aside his lexiteer tendency on order to take a definite stance on stopping brexit before a GE is held my feeling from Corbynite friends is that he won't be able to rely on even their votes.

My concern is that this then leaves the door wide open for extreme right, or left for that matter (though it's the Tommy Robinson lot I worry about) to sidle in to some serious power during a GE right now. The whole thought of having a general election in this absolute shit show of competency vacuum scares the hell out of me.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 16/11/2018 09:37

So do we think Gove and Hammond in the ring?
Gove has been sneaky with his "oh yes MIss I agree the agreement" then 24hrs later "I'll only be Chief Brexiteer if you let me change it" (knowing full well there's no time). I think even his own party are fed up with him though.

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lonelyplanetmum · 16/11/2018 09:40

Oh gawd I'm feeling sorry for her again.

She has lied.. and created or sanctioned the hostile environment.. and did those bloody go home vans. Now I am feeling sorry for her.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/11/2018 09:43

Sam Coates Times
@SamCoatesTimes
Michael Gove decides to stay:

Source close to Michael Gove: “Michael is staying at Defra. He thinks it is important to continue working with Cabinet colleagues to ensure the best outcome for the country.”

borntobequiet · 16/11/2018 09:49

Well looks like I was wrong again.

Motheroffourdragons · 16/11/2018 09:50

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/11/2018 09:53

Sam Coates Times
@SamCoatesTimes
Michael Gove

A senior brexiteer responds to his decision to stay on gvt: “Michael’s wrestling bouts with his conscience constitute the longest winning streak in British sporting history.”

Notquiterichenough · 16/11/2018 09:55

I wouldn't trust Gove under any circumstances. I think he's too clever.

lonelyplanetmum · 16/11/2018 09:57

Don't you reckon if there is a vote she will survive it?

By the way Mogg is more of a weasel than a meerkat.The latter are more collegiate and nurturing. Male weasels take eggs from others nests and are very selfish

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borntobequiet · 16/11/2018 09:59

I reckon she’d survive it...but I’m mostly wrong so won’t offer an opinion atm.

borntobequiet · 16/11/2018 09:59

Even though I just did.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 16/11/2018 10:00

Surely not Raab after his apparent lack of comprehension of the basic facts of trade as an island? Then his flouncing off on the deal he personally brokered? Hardly someone who sounds like they know what they are doing and should be in charge of a Country!

lonelyplanetmum · 16/11/2018 10:01

Also as a complete aside there's a thread in AIBU about eating badger.

It has an extra resonance given our previous 'no deal' squirrel eating discussions.

BorisBogtrotter · 16/11/2018 10:02

Gove for PM?

Tanith · 16/11/2018 10:03

Is there a recipe, lonelyplanetmum?

lonelyplanetmum · 16/11/2018 10:05

Yes sort of..boil (in a bag?)for 4 hours to hopefully get rid of the TB?

TheElementsSong · 16/11/2018 10:05

Surely not Raab after his apparent lack of comprehension of the basic facts of trade as an island? Then his flouncing off on the deal he personally brokered? Hardly someone who sounds like they know what they are doing and should be in charge of a Country!

Ignorance, arrogance, hubris and cowardice? That just makes him the perfect Brexiteer.

borntobequiet · 16/11/2018 10:07

People are pointing out that rice left out overnight is more hazardous than well-cooked (even if TB ridden) badger.

Notquiterichenough · 16/11/2018 10:08

Badger thread is cheering up my morning off sick.

I'm not sure Gove wants the job right now?

Violetparis · 16/11/2018 10:08

I lurk on these threads and rarely post but want to thank Red and all the others for their posts especially over the past few days. BiglyBadgers I wondered what happened to you as I used to read your posts and think you were very measured and fair. Hope you are well.

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