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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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lonelyplanetmum · 16/11/2018 10:29

to then retire from politics and snack on some badger obvs

Inniu · 16/11/2018 10:31

Mogg et al will not resign on a point of honour. This is a game to them

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 10:32

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Christopher Hope @christopherhope
^NEW But friends of Sir Graham Brady, the 1922 committee, suggest that the threshold has NOT yet been breached yet. One says: "Nobody has told him."
This suggests some Tory MPs are saying they will put in letters - and are not doing so. No surprise of course. #BrexitChaos^

Do we really want to be led by a bunch of people who can't organise 48 letters in a timely and orderly fashion to carry out a timely and orderly exit from the EU?

Even if they get the letters, this is now into brewery and drinking party stuff.

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1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 10:35

{Even if they get the letters, this is now into brewery and drinking party stuff.}
What on earth can the EU negotiators be thinking about 'us'?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/11/2018 10:36

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
A lot of noise from Brexiteer MPs about challenging the PM and they may well get their contest. But don't underestimate strength of feeling on the opposite side. One Tory texts to say they are "disgusted." Another told me yday it made her feel physically sick.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 10:36

Tim Shipman @shippersunbound
BREAKING: Gove, Fox, Grayling, Mordaunt and Leadsom have agreed collectively to stay and will work together “to get this in a better place” says a vg source. “Resigning and joining a rebellion is not going to help anything”.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/11/2018 10:37

Henry Zeffman
‏*@hzeffman*
I think the talk of possible successors to Dominic Raab as Brexit secretary is missing the obvious candidate: Theresa May. She is already the chief negotiator. She will always be the person most associated with the deal. And told the idea hasn't been ruled out in Downing Street

Bodoni · 16/11/2018 10:40

Has this been posted? - new petition to stop Brexit:
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/226509/signatures/new

[Sky poll shows majority of Brits now against and want a second vote -
news.sky.com/story/majority-of-brits-now-against-brexit-and-back-second-eu-referendum-sky-data-poll-11555078]

DGRossetti · 16/11/2018 10:40

I wonder if a more sinister reason for where we are is the level of emotion that has been whipped up amongst the country is so high that the security services are overwhelmed trying to isolate real nutters from the keyboard warriors ?

Imagine being a very vocal Brexiteer MP, who manages to somehow be painted as somehow preventing the perfect Brexit ? Let's take a moment to honour the memory of Jo Cox, and remind ourselves there are very real, very violent and total fruitloop people out there. They're already angry, the fact they can never have what they want might just push one or two of them edgewise.

When they make the film of Brexit (in the US) you can just see it beginning with If you unleash the forces of popular nationalism, you are meddling with things you can't possibly understand ...

Meanwhile, here's a picture of a cunt.

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DGRossetti · 16/11/2018 10:41

WTH, it's Friday ...

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DGRossetti · 16/11/2018 10:41

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DGRossetti · 16/11/2018 10:43

If she survives it would people like Mogg step down completely as a point of honour?

He doesn't know the meaning of the word. He's an act. Churchill would have made mincemeat of him and his pretensions.

DarlingNikita · 16/11/2018 10:46

If Gove, Fox, Grayling, Mordaunt and Leadsom are staying, will there be enough letters for a no confidence vote?

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 10:46

UPDATED: 20 Tory MPs who have publicly declared they have written letters of no confidence

-Baker
-Bone
-Bradley
-Bridgen
-Caulfield
-Clarke
-Davies
-Dorries
-Duddridge
-Francois
-Holloway
-Jenkyns
-Morris
-Murray
-Rees-Mogg
-Robertson
-Rowley
-Smith
-Vickers
-Whittingdale

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RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 10:47

If Gove, Fox, Grayling, Mordaunt and Leadsom are staying, will there be enough letters for a no confidence vote?

There are 80 in the ERG.

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bellinisurge · 16/11/2018 10:50

Rees-Mogg is a badly suited poseur. I can't believe he's being treated as anything other than a comedy act.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 10:51

^If as being reported that there will be a 5 day debate starting on 25 November and the revoke case is to be held on 27, is there a chance RTB that there may be a judgement before the end of the debate?
Or as amendments are being heard first, there would be no chance to take it into consideration?^

For me that revocation case is crucial now otherwise the numbers in the HoC seem to suggest no deal.

No idea...

Important question though.

And probably precisely why it's timed then to limit amendments.

The EU summit is 25th Nov too.

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Spudlet · 16/11/2018 10:52

How long do they have to get these letters in? Is it just 48 letters ever, over the leader's whole term of office, or do they need to arrive within a certain time frame? If that makes sense?

bananafish · 16/11/2018 10:52

I don’t trust them as far as I could throw them, but might they be putting country before self interest for at least five minutes? Heavily influenced by that Mail front page, which will have surprised them.

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DarlingNikita · 16/11/2018 10:53

Red, but only 35 could be arsed turning up for a meeting yesterday on what was surely their big day.

I just think they're all mouth and trousers.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 10:53

Beth Rigby @bethrigby
Gove stays. A minister tells me; “PM can’t trust him now, he thinks he has leverage over her” and adds he should have gone to Brexit dept rather than refusing. Why?... 1/2

Minister says Gove should have taken Brexit dept: ‘He was one of the principal architects of Leave, he was the one saying we had to leave single market, now he’s become advocate for EEA short term & very scared about no deal’

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Spudlet · 16/11/2018 10:55

I can't believe he's being treated as anything other than a comedy act.

He kind of was though, wasn't he... turning up on HIGNFY and in that Parliament documentary, and being treated as a bit of an eccentric. Which of course raised his profile beautifully and gave him a platform. I wonder if he'd have had quite so much influence without that?

Hazardswan · 16/11/2018 10:59

Is there a near 50/50 spilt in ERG over the letters? Why is everything so divided, even the rebellion can't be decisive?

Exasperating.

wallyfeatures · 16/11/2018 11:02

Delurking. My gut instinct (which is as good an indicator as any, let's be honest) is that there will not be 48 letters submitted. Too many people know that what has been put on the table is the best of a bad bunch and that time has run out so we'd best just get on with it. No one has the appetite to take over from Theresa and who can blame them?

As much as I hate politicians and this whole situation, I do admire May. She turns up day after day, carrying on long after most of us would have thrown the towel in. Respect.