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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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Xenia · 16/11/2018 09:00

But that means crash out as there is no time for all that. even if Corbyn were PM by Christmas there is not enough time. We cannot withdraw the notice.the EU won't have us back so Corbyn winning means we crash out on worse terms.

ClashCityRocker · 16/11/2018 09:02

I'm not sure what labour could do differently.

Or that they'd get in power anyway.

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 16/11/2018 09:02

best Flowers

mrs r Get well soon!

My house is a pig sty and poor DCs had to watch press conference instead of CBeebies. Grin

ClashCityRocker · 16/11/2018 09:04

I mean, it's the closest deal possible to the bloody six tests.

In fact the only way they will meet the six tests is by staying in the EU....

Motheroffourdragons · 16/11/2018 09:04

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1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 09:07

Although it wouldn't be popular with some, unless a court somewhere decides it is not possible, A50 can be revoked 1 minute before 11:00pm on 29 March.
What would actually happen if this was done would be interesting as in 'watching a hydrogen bomb going off from a safe distance' is interesting. A combination of fascinating and frightening.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 09:07

Best joke I saw yesterday.

Six tests? Isn't that the name of Jacob Rees Moggs son?

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ClashCityRocker · 16/11/2018 09:08

RTB 😁😁😁

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 09:09

{poor DCs had to watch press conference instead of CBeebies}
There is a difference?
Ah yes, CBeebies have brighter clothes.

Tanith · 16/11/2018 09:09

No idea what’s going on in their pretty little heads, but it looks to me like the far left are also putting their party before country.

ClashCityRocker · 16/11/2018 09:10

Jonathan Isaby
(@isaby)
Unconfirmed and from a single (always previously reliable) source - but hearing that the 48 letters are in and Downing Street are preparing for a no confidence motion in Theresa May as Conservative leader...

AutumnCrow · 16/11/2018 09:10

I agree a General Election is pointless with May and Corbyn in charge. Or Mordaunt/Gove/A.N.Other and Corbyn in charge. At least we have voices like Anna Soubry and Keir Starmer.

The trouble with May, is she's terrible at explaining complex ideas.

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 09:11

{In fact the only way they will meet the six tests is by staying in the EU....}
If they weren't trying to be a 'smart arse' and actually called it 'stay in the EU' it would have helped a bit.

Hazardswan · 16/11/2018 09:12

I'm on schedule today! DP meds schedule - followed! Am I dressed - yes! Is the house clean? It fails to meet the six pillars of cleanliness, I have a sensible plan but it's unlikely I will implement it.

mrs feel better Brew

Motheroffourdragons · 16/11/2018 09:13

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MyBrexitIsIll · 16/11/2018 09:16

edition.cnn.com/2018/11/15/uk/brexit-theresa-may-analysis-intl-gbr/index.html

Ignore the noise, Theresa May could be the only one who gets Brexit reality
[…]
But this isn't about economics; it's about the mayhem in a country whose politics have barely functioned in 2018.

It seems they have a better idea in the US of what’s going on here than we do...

Violetparis · 16/11/2018 09:16

Sky news reporting confidence vote likely.

Tanith · 16/11/2018 09:16

Bad move, Mrsr8! You need to cover the washing pile with something, maybe a Unicorn patterned blanket? You can then pretend the washing is a done deal Smile

TheElementsSong · 16/11/2018 09:17

I am grimly amused, but unsurprised, by the Leavers seamlessly segueing from “I have faith in Theresa May, just BeLeeeeave” to “I always knew Theresa May was a Remainer out to sabotage our glorious Brexitannia, I have faith in Boris and David and Jacob, they’ve been cruelly held back from displaying their greatness let’s forget they all had their opportunity and ran away just BeLeeeeeeeave” Grin

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 16/11/2018 09:21

If as being reported that there will be a 5 day debate starting on 25 November and the revoke case is to be held on 27, is there a chance RTB that there may be a judgement before the end of the debate?
Or as amendments are being heard first, there would be no chance to take it into consideration?
For me that revocation case is crucial now otherwise the numbers in the HoC seem to suggest no deal.

usuallydormant · 16/11/2018 09:24

Thanks to the wonderful posters on this thread, definitely the best round-up of of Brexit news, I'm another regular lurker who is addicted to this thread.

While you're waiting on the next resignation letter(or avalanche of letters) an interesting perspective and analysis here from an ex Irish Ambassador to the UK.
www.irishtimes.com/opinion/brexit-and-the-march-of-folly-1.3699010

However, the Brexit infantry march cheerfully ahead, blissfully unconcerned that their feuding military commanders are basing their campaign plans either on the tactical subtlety of the Charge of the Light Brigade or on the strategic brilliance of the Grand Old Duke of York.

Tanith · 16/11/2018 09:28

Thinking wistfully of Nosher Powell’s style of politician:
“YOU! Give ‘im back ‘is country!
And YOU! Smarten yerself up!”

mostdays · 16/11/2018 09:30

I wish Clarke could mount and win a leadership challenge. I know that's never going to happen territory but imagine the Tories being led by a man with a bit of sense. I disagree with him on an awful lot of things but he is decent and serious and one of the few politicians I think does put country before party.