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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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SusanWalker · 16/11/2018 07:55

The trouble with forcing the brexiteers to confront the difficulties of brexit by giving them brexit sec is that it doesn't work. They just do a Nadine Dorries and decide that it's so complicated no deal would be better.

lonelyplanetmum · 16/11/2018 07:59

They’ve had so long to get their act together, constantly bitching, moaning, whinging all over the TV, radio and SM

This ^^ . Which kind of confirms their goal is unachievable does it not?

ClairefromMergersAcquisitions · 16/11/2018 08:06

Listening to TM on LBC just now. She's obviously had some media training on engaging with the plebs because she sounds like a human.

PCPlumsTruncheon · 16/11/2018 08:14

Morning everyone and hello to all lurkers. It says a lot when a parenting website is the most reliable place for information about the most important decision facing our country since WW2.
Where are all the ‘I can’t wait til we leave’ crowd? As they’ve always maintained that they knew exactly what they voted for, surely they should be jubilant that they have got what they wanted?
I do have a grudging admiration for TM for calling the bluff of the ERG and refusing to stand down but remember that she wouldn’t be in the position of having to placate JRM and his disaster capitalist chums or the DUP loons if she hadn’t called a pointless GE and lost her majority and invoked a50 without any kind of plan.
Right now, I think she’s the best person to see this through but that isn’t saying much.
Nobody comes out of this well.
I would like to see Cameron, Farage, Bojo, JRM, Deadwood et al packed off to a remote island and forced to fight it out among themselves ‘Lord of the Flies’ style.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 08:16

I have stuff to do this afternoon. And the house is still a shit tip. I'd appreciate Mr Gove not ruining my plans for the day or the bespectacled 18th century meerkat calling a no confidence vote.

So I'm fairly confident for that reason alone that it'll happen

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RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 08:19

Simon Fraser @ simonfraser00
David Davis was a terrible #Brexit Secretary. He could hardly be bothered to go to Brussels & rapidly lost respect there. Preposterous for him now to suggest that EU deliberately delayed negotiations. They spent months waiting for him to engage..

Beth Rigby @bethrigby
This from the former perm sec at foreign office

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RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 08:25

Roland Smith @rolandmcs
David Davis, the longest serving former Brexit Secretary, whose absence from the negotiating table was legendary, just claimed the EU strung this out and wasted time in order to run down the clock.

He actually said that.

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Spudlet · 16/11/2018 08:25

She's obviously had some media training on engaging with the plebs because she sounds like a human.

Most politicians are pretty good one on one - the successful ones, anyway. They need a degree of personal charisma at some level after all.

(Totes delurked to say this. I rarely feel I have anything to add! Beyond howling 'We're all dooooooooomed!', ala Private Fraser, at regular intervals.)

I would love to see JRM fall flat on his face here - he is a truly odious little ferret. He too must have some degree of personal charisma but honestly, I'm struggling to see it. So Sod's law dictates he's likely to be the next PM... 🙈

Mrsr8 · 16/11/2018 08:33

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RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 08:37

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Spooky echo here of the Cameron renegotiation - EU and UK officials believe (with good reason) they have achieved something unprecedented - UK govt finds it nightmarish to explain to Tory MPs and public why it is an achievement when it seems to fall short of original promises

Ominous?

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1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 08:37

{Possibly. Fox left No 10 with Hunt on Wednesday.}
Surely someone can make up a gag about 'Fox hunting' from this, while we wait more resignations?
Bespectacled meercat, Grin

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 08:38

Paul Waugh @paulwaugh
All Govt whips have just been told to cancel Friday constituency engagements and convene in Parliament today, one source tells me. Make of that what you will?

Does this mean the 48 threshold has been reached? Sir Graham Brady would know..but if it has been reached No10 would know too.

Ominous?

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1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 08:38

THAT'S how you use emojis!!
You learn something (practically useless) every day.

LucheroTena · 16/11/2018 08:38

Daily Mail has turned on all the brexshit headbangers, calling them saboteurs, ungrateful, petulant, having no plan. They’ve included Rees Mogg in their rant. They also pointed out what the headbangers want equals economic suicide.

Blimey! Interesting to see if their fanboy rag turning against them reels them back.

ClashCityRocker · 16/11/2018 08:39

I'm working from home today, after a somewhat disruptive day yesterday... Hopefully it will be a bit quieter.

Surprised at the headlines - I thought the press would rip this to shreds, the majority seemed all about the hardest of hard brexits. How comes they're all shitting themselves all of a sudden?

AutumnCrow · 16/11/2018 08:40

Morning. I am determined to do some bloody work today. Possibly.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 08:40

Beth Rigby @BethRigby
Good question from Ferrari on greeting free vote, key Mordaunt demand. May says there is collective cabinet responsibility and govt will put it to HoC. Sounds like a no to me....

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
May refuses 3 times to answer whether the Cabinet will get a free vote on her deal - Penny Mordaunt's demand. "There is collective responsibility. The Government will put its position to the House of Commons"
It would be extraordinary if she conceded this #LBC

Is it Penny or Michael scheduled for 9am?

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ClashCityRocker · 16/11/2018 08:40

Oh feck it!

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 08:41

Sorry to hear that Mrsr8. Hope your home fan club have brought you the beef tea and the charger for your phone/tablet.

MyBrexitIsIll · 16/11/2018 08:43

Spooky echo here of the Cameron renegotiation - EU and UK officials believe (with good reason) they have achieved something unprecedented - UK govt finds it nightmarish to explain to Tory MPs and public why it is an achievement when it seems to fall short of original promises

I’m not so sure. Maybe they are struggling to have the MPs understanding what the heck is going on but I’m getting the feeling that quite a lot of people GET the agreement TM got is a good one. They didn’t when Cameron renegociated things.
That makes a big difference imo.
As is the fact so many newspapers are banging on about how brexiters are off their heads and need to get back in land where Unicorns dint exist.

bananafish · 16/11/2018 08:49

Daily Mail has turned on all the brexshit headbangers, calling them saboteurs, ungrateful, petulant, having no plan.

I know, right? I nearly spat out my coffee. Such a turnaround. Thank God, Dacre has left. And I found it quite heartening - the Mail, much as it is loathsome, is also quite a good barometer of Middle England.

It'll probably all turnaround on a dime, and I might be overly optimistic, but I get the faint impression that the penny is finally dropping. The no Brexit, this deal or No Deal message seems to be resonating out there.

Spudlet · 16/11/2018 08:50

David Davies saying anything at all on this is almost unbelievable. Any normal person who had failed so spectacularly at a job would keep quiet under these circumstances, surely?! Oh, for the confidence of a deeply mediocre middle-aged white man!

(I should probably relurk again now, am slipping into 'Dooooooomed' territory here...)

Tanith · 16/11/2018 08:52

GingerPCatt: So what is Labour’s Brexit plan?

According to Momentum: “Jeremy Corbyn has been clear. This half-baked Brexit deal fails Labour’s six tests, will be a disaster for our country, and puts jobs, rights and living standards at risk.

As socialists, we have only one option - vote down the deal, push for a general election and elect a socialist Labour government.”

I’m not a Momentum member, by the way, so this is just what they’re sending out to the masses.

Mrsr8 · 16/11/2018 08:59

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1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 08:59

{Is it Penny or Michael scheduled for 9am?}
Maybe both, they could do their departure speech as a sung duet. So long, farewell, Aufw.....

{As socialists, we have only one option - vote down the deal, push for a general election and elect a socialist Labour government.”}
Yes very nice dear but what the hell are you going to DO to get the UK out of this mess? Sitting around in a cardie with tea and biscuits is not really going to help at all.

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