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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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mathanxiety · 15/11/2018 22:42

From the New Statesman:
www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/11/why-are-tory-rebels-pushing-confidence-vote-they-might-not-win
For the ERG leadership, though, the real victory would be demonstrating conclusively that May’s Withdrawal Agreement did not have a chance of passing parliament. Arguably, hitting 48 would do that, as there is no way that 58 Labour MPs will vote for May’s deal and cancel out those votes and the 10 of the DUP.

The prime minister has insisted that she will fight on should she win the ensuing ballot. But one ally of David Davis says its result, even if it fell short of 50 per cent, would serve to illustrate the number of MPs willing to go “on strike” should she do so. Many are convinced that her position would be just as untenable, especially if the number of votes against her hit treble figures (the gamble, of course, is that May would decline the opportunity to take advantage of her year’s immunity by returning to Brussels after a first defeat and seeking a deal that Labour could vote for). They could well be right. But first, they will need to trigger a vote.

So it is check for now, as always, not checkmate.

This is what the ERG want anyway. They stand a far greater chance of exercising real power with a weak PM in place who remains in their crosshairs. This is why Rees Mogg has never courted ministerial office.

I do not agree with the applause for TM here. This crisis should never have happened. The only reason for it is her stupidity (the stupidity that gave Nick Timothy free rein) and lack of leadership.

SusanWalker · 15/11/2018 23:10

They interviewed DD on sky news. He and Owen Paterson are in the US talking trade. He said this deal will prevent us from setting our own standards and will prevent us striking a trade deal. We all know why. He also refused to say whether he would stand for the leadership.

Miljah · 15/11/2018 23:40

QuestionTime is turning into a mob!

bofsy1 · 15/11/2018 23:41

A precondition of the customs union is that the European Commission negotiates for and on behalf of the Union as a whole in international trade deals such as the World Trade Organisation, rather than each member state negotiating individually.

I am sure this includes the US, so what the heck is DD talking about.

No wonder we are where we are. If I am wrong please correct me.

ChasedByBees · 15/11/2018 23:43

I sought out the Brexit topic after today. What a mess. Look forward to catching up here.

Thomasinaa · 15/11/2018 23:55

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CourageCallsToCourage · 16/11/2018 00:07

This is another very grateful lurker checking in to say thank you to Red and everyone else. I've been following these threads for over a year and without them I would have been far less well informed (although possibly less stressed!).

Anyway. What a day. What a fucking day.

Are we going to do it all over again tomorrow?

Quietrebel · 16/11/2018 00:28

Better steady our nerves!

plaidlife · 16/11/2018 00:31

Lonelyplanetmum I did think it odd she referenced Boycott at all given the domestic abuse issues.

mathanxiety · 16/11/2018 05:17

She has a spectacularly wooden ear.

HesterThrale · 16/11/2018 06:23

Phew! What a day. Getting through threads so quickly reminds me of the crazy summer of ‘16.

Hello to all the lurkers and delurkers. There must be a LOT of people reading this thread.

Without trying to guess how Brexit will pan out, I think we must have learnt one definite thing from the last 2.5 years. The Tories are toxic, dishonourable and incompetent; many of them do not have our best interests at heart. They need a thorough purging. (Unfortunately a credible pre-formed Opposition leadership is not awaiting, so it’ll have to be a new ensemble of politicians to steer us through the recovery.)

GingerPCatt · 16/11/2018 06:33

So what is labours Brexit plan?

BestIsWest · 16/11/2018 06:42

Thanks BCF, he’s in the best place, getting fantastic care.

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 07:13

Thank you for that link Mother.
Having looked up my region I find I am classified as an old fart, but may be eligible for mobility aids etc.
I thought life was going downhill when I realised I was eligible for SAGA offers.
As Hester (sort of) says, welcome to lurkers, come in and speak up.
While we still have no idea where this bus is heading there will certainly be something for everyone in the near future, be it prepping tips (there are whole threads for that) or just confirmation we are not alone.

JWIM · 16/11/2018 07:32

Overnight thought
Surely it must now be the turn of disgraced former defence etc etc Liam Fox MP to take the vacant SoS DexEU position. His current department cannot complete any FT Agreements for the foreseeable so why not see what his talents can bring to the party? He wants to Leave the EU and now he can 'lead the charge'. Given that his pre/post ref comments of easily agreed trade deals by Christmas (2016), they need us etc, demonstrate his enthusiasm and expectation of all things positive for leaving, he must be the man for the job.

teaandbiscuitsforme · 16/11/2018 07:35

Lurker/very occasional poster here.

In a constant state of despair as usual but thank you to red and all the contributors for a corner of sanity during this mess.

I emailed my mp last night. I know it's not much use as he's one of the big brexiteers but I'm fed up of feeling like everything is completely out of my control Sad

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/11/2018 07:39

Beth Rigby
@BethRigby
Told last night by senior Brexiteer to expect a co-ordinated run of letter submissions today as May’s opponents try to get the confidence vote over the line. We’re expecting another to be announced around 9am....

hoochymama1 · 16/11/2018 07:39

Just sought out this thread, thank you for it. I think there will be no winners today.

Hazardswan · 16/11/2018 07:42

Morning

What will today being?

Will I get anything done?

best Flowers

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 07:42

Sam Coates Times @samcoatestimes
Michael Gove

My analysis is that if No10 had left Gove alone in Defra, the "most supportive" brexiteer in cabinet would have stayed.

By offering him brexit secretary, trying to bind him in more closely, it backfired and they have pushed him to the brink

Gove to resign at 9am?

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Lico · 16/11/2018 07:44

Possibly. Fox left No 10 with Hunt on Wednesday. I used to like Hunt but I hate him now. A real privileged guy. He comes from Shere, a very small quaint village in Surrey , Midsommers type. How can these guys connect with the real world? Also he has a house in Central London, 15 minutes' walk from Westminster. He just had work done on it; most of the workers were Eastern Europeans. What hypocrite, against FOM etc.. and profiting from it all.
Am trying not to read the main news as my blood pressure is up...

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2018 07:45

Hugo Gye @ hugogye
DD refuses to call for May to quit because he's in Washington and thinks it's rude to criticise the prime minister while abroad. #r4today

Huh wat?

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borntobequiet · 16/11/2018 07:46

They’ve had so long to get their act together, constantly bitching, moaning, whinging all over the TV, radio and SM - you’d think they would be all ready with letters to go. They’re bluffing, clueless and have no credible leader.

borntobequiet · 16/11/2018 07:48

So IMO these coordinated letters won’t happen.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 16/11/2018 07:51

According to radio 4 Michael Gove has left....... his house Grin

I got no work done yesterday