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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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BestIsWest · 15/11/2018 20:35

So...have been at the hospital since 11am with my dad who was admitted in an emergency. Have I missed anything much?

NHS were brilliant especially the young doc who admitted him and who was doing a 6am to 9pm shift and back on duty tomorrow at 6am.

Peregrina · 15/11/2018 20:36

Full on PR campaign to sell the deal starts in earnest

I expect it will be like her election campaign - only hand picked supporters need bother. But it's not us as yet who will have a vote on it. She needs to sell it to the HoC first.

KennDodd · 15/11/2018 20:36

I wonder if we have have violence from the far right around polling stations if we did have another referendum. Not that that threat is any reason NOT to have another one.

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 20:48

Have I missed anything much?

Errrrr
3 hrs of May in the commons
8 ministers resigning
JRM challenging May complete with full press conference after
An ERG meeting where 35 turned up. Signalling a split in the ERG.
Rumours of around 30 letters having gone to Brady but not the magic 48 Mogg promised so far
Johnson awol
Gove and Mordaunt playing hokey cokey about whether they are staying in the cabinet
A cabinet position that not even a tory wants
A pr stunt press conference by May, in which she looked as nervous as hell but journalists were nice to her.

And the stop Brexit man drowning out every interview on BBC news.

But other than that, Na you didn't miss anything

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BestIsWest · 15/11/2018 20:53

What a day to be without internet!
Got to admire May’s stamina if nothing else.

1tisILeClerc · 15/11/2018 20:55

{For some people of course a lot of money can be made out of chaos if you play your cards right so it will not be bad news for everyone.}

Of course those with the money (ERG, May etc) who are orchestrating these little announcements and flouncing, will be putting money on the Pound seesawing up and down ratcheting up their investment. Most likely illegal but since when has that been an issue.

1tisILeClerc · 15/11/2018 20:56

(Got to admire May’s stamina if nothing else.)
If only she was doing this to actually benefit the country.

BestIsWest · 15/11/2018 20:59

If only 1st
My dad may have been very poorly today but he still managed to launch a blistering attack on her - and I can’t repeat what he had to say about Mr May.

AwdBovril · 15/11/2018 21:02

The Guardian reports that Gove appears to have declined the position of Brexit Secretary, as his price would have been that the draft WA should be renegotiated.

DGRossetti · 15/11/2018 21:08

The Guardian reports that Gove appears to have declined the position of Brexit Secretary, as his price would have been that the draft WA should be renegotiated.

Since he already knows that's not an option, it's an interesting move.

plaidlife · 15/11/2018 21:19

Boycott's team mates were often of the view that his ability to stand around the crease scoring very few runs and blocking other batsmen from doing so was a total team hindrance. His self centered and inflexible approach to a team game wasn't always valued by those he played alongside.

PineappleSunrise · 15/11/2018 21:22

Anyone else think he's trying to claim back the ground he and Johnson (I) were originally aiming for, i.e. the true Brexit believers who would regretfully accept the straightjacket imposed on them (okay, by reality now instead of the voters) and win the hearts and minds of a united Conservative party?

Too late for B. Johnson, I think. But Gove has been staying very, very quiet.

AwdBovril · 15/11/2018 21:31

DGR, PineappleSunrise - those thoughts were in my mind, too.

lonelyplanetmum · 15/11/2018 21:47

His self centered and inflexible approach to a team game wasn't always valued by those he played *

His alleged domestic violence approach wasn't appreciated by those at home either.

thecatfromjapan · 15/11/2018 21:48
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Minimammoth · 15/11/2018 22:02

What do the ERG do anyway. What ‘research’?

prettybird · 15/11/2018 22:02

Very perceptive analogy then by May Wink

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 15/11/2018 22:08

@AVM_L
This parliament is a shower of ineptitude.

May can’t pass a deal.

Rees-Mogg can’t mount a coup.

Johnson can’t credibly challenge.

Corbyn is opposing a deal that is almost exactly his own policy, to the extent he has one.

And Grayling and Fox mystifyingly still have jobs.

Buteo · 15/11/2018 22:17

What do the ERG do anyway. What ‘research’?

Good question.

Tory Brexit faction censured for using public funds for campaigning. Watchdog asked ERG to stop party political activity while receiving MP expenses money

A parliamentary watchdog censured the European Research Group, the hard-Brexit faction of Conservative MPs led by Jacob Rees-Mogg, for using taxpayers’ money for party political activity in breach of rules.

The group has received hundreds of thousands of pounds from taxpayers through the MPs’ expenses system to support its research activities. The funds cannot be used for party political purposes.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/tory-brexit-faction-erg-censured-for-using-public-funds-for-campaigning

jasjas1973 · 15/11/2018 22:18

Corbyn is opposing a deal that is almost exactly his own policy, to the extent he has one

Mays deal is nothing like Labours preferred Brexit deal.

Xenia · 15/11/2018 22:21

Good point above. I as a remainer Tory think this CU and some kind of single market deal is pretty good (not as good as remainer but not too bad). It also accords with what Labour and Corbyn want anway. if it is this deal or crash out it would be hard for Labour to support a crash out other than if they are voting simply to get at the Tories or giving in to Brexiteer Labour supporters. So we might find if people are sensible that only the die hard brexiteers oppose like those who have resigned from the cabinet.

Minimammoth · 15/11/2018 22:22

That all sounds very dodgy Buteo

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BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 22:34

I hope all is well now, best 💐