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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 19:18

The moment you use "kill" it becomes a threat
So would gun, knife, bomb etc

The poster flippantly mentioned the steamroller as an ironing implement
If Smuggy was reading, he wouldn't be worried about his imminent demise

ClashCityRocker · 15/11/2018 19:18

But if no deal is the only option, might some labour mps get cold feet?

Depending how the numbers pan out, I can see no deal being blamed on labour if it is voted down.

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 19:19

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
I am told neither Michael Gove nor Penny Mordaunt are expected to resign tonight, though both are still in the balance.

I think I'm going to take that as a cue to log off until just before the newspapers drop.

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BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 19:19

I wonder if a ref question with "no Brexit" would do better for us than "Remain" ?

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 19:20

Your washing will be very creased - better borrow that steamroller

Xenia · 15/11/2018 19:21

It's fine. I am sure Rees Mogg has heard worse. In fact I would make major changes to our laws and to our website rules to allow much more freedom of speech than we currently have but that's for another thread.

The interesting thing about the current disputes are Brexit divided Labour and the Tories and many a family down the middle and both seocnd referendum Tories and crash out in March Brexiteer Tories won't like the deal (although for me as a remainer Tory I think it's the best of the bad options) and if the DUP and Labour vote against it we may end up crashing out.

For some people of course a lot of money can be made out of chaos if you play your cards right so it will not be bad news for everyone.

PCPlumsTruncheon · 15/11/2018 19:27

There was one arse with a megaphone calling us all sore losers. Was that you wholly? If it was, those specs really don’t suit you.
Lots of horns beeping and generally good atmosphere. Vince got a huge cheer

AdaHopper · 15/11/2018 19:33

A little humour. Check the title on Belgian tv 

Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!
plaidlife · 15/11/2018 19:34

DH was a Tory, a Cameron Osbourne supporting one. Not a huge emotional fan of EU but clear it made economic sense. He has lost all faith in Tories to back business, would still favor remain and then TM's deal. I can't see him voting Tory for many years. He would never back JC.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 15/11/2018 19:42

plaid my father was the same. He calls them UKIP light now and finds their policies racist - says they've bowed to the nationalistic pressure. He's voted for them all his life too Sad.

Hazardswan · 15/11/2018 19:43

Another here thinking no brexit will poll better then remain. Remain and leave are tainted/old news.

PcPlum sounds fab! Flowers

plaidlife · 15/11/2018 19:48

CCN just covered Brexit chaos, it is so rare to have any non USA news, you know it's bad. They only gave them half a screen but still.

PineappleSunrise · 15/11/2018 19:58

False equivalence, Xenia. FGS, you're a lawyer, I expect more precision from you.

Tanith · 15/11/2018 20:01

This week is UK Parliament week www.ukparliamentweek.org/

They certainly picked their time!!

Tanith · 15/11/2018 20:04

"No Brexit" could cause confusion. A bit like the candidates a few years ago that were choosing names almost like the official parties in order to divert votes.

Though I agree Leave and Remain should be renamed.

Peregrina · 15/11/2018 20:05

The children-frightening stories told about WTO will be revealed as anti-Brexit lies.
We will be a self-governing democracy again, instead of becoming a province of a corrupt, corporatist Greater Germany run by unelected and unaccountable foreigners who clearly hate and despise us.

I predict that within a year, Whollyfather, having made some of the most idiotic statements to grace MN boards, will have done a Cameron and run away.

mathanxiety · 15/11/2018 20:07

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/11/theresa-may-s-deal-can-t-pass-parliament-says-man-who-lost-her-majority

No love lost for Nick Timothy in the New Statesman ^^.

This man is nothing short of a revolution-monger, a rabid ideologue.

Forcing him out of Number 10 was incredibly important.

It's actually quite sobering to think that the PM spent so long under his influence and was apparently so much under his sway that she called the GE in 2017.

A reminder - here is the PM's Lancaster House speech, drafted by Nick Timothy.
www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/what-prime-ministers-speech-means

It remains to be seen how much his views are shared.

The BBC ran this today:
www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-46218860/how-tories-remove-a-prime-minister
"How the UK gets a new leader without an election"

KingPrawnBalls · 15/11/2018 20:08

Place marking Wine

frumpety · 15/11/2018 20:09

I really wish I had put my 'There is going to be no Brexit' bet on now , bet the odds are much lower, still worth a punt for the beer tokens though ?

Buteo · 15/11/2018 20:15

My DB watched the odds on a new referendum shorten today. As a professional punter, he thinks that’s significant.

ElenadeClermont · 15/11/2018 20:19

I also think the ERG lacks numbers to topple May. However, Graham Brady said that when the number of letters surpasses 48, he will start calling all those MPs to check if they still want a leadership challenge. For all we know he could be doing that.

GoodnightMooncup · 15/11/2018 20:21

I usually just lurk on these threads but wanted to say thank you to redtoothbrush for keeping these going.

I'm a labour voter but I don't want them to get into power right now, this is the tories' mess to sort.

TheElementsSong · 15/11/2018 20:23

I’d better placemark on this new thread before it whooshes past Grin

prettybird · 15/11/2018 20:25

I think the EU - Barnier, Merkel, Macron, Varadkar, Rutte et al have been amazingly patient with WM (I refuse to say "us" Hmm because this is not being done in my name Angry).

I think the way that the UK has mucked the EU around, made "pie in the sky" cake ism demands and threw back EU offers in its face, reneging on commitments are so egregious, I wouldn't have been surprised if Barnier, with the full backing of the E27, had told the UK to go take a running jump. It would have been a lot easier and less time consuming for them. You could almost hear the weariness in Barnier's press statement yesterday.

But instead they have continued to treat the UK with courtesy, while simultaneously unlike the UK putting in preparations for the infrastructure required for a chaotic or no deal scenario.

This despite all May's attempts to divide and conquer.

Contrast that with the mixed messages coming from the UK: onto the 3rd Brexit Secretary, all the other Cabinet resignations, the 3 hours in the HoC with barely a supportive comment Hmm

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 20:31

Theo Usherwood @theousherwood
Prime Minister Theresa May will be taking your calls on her Brexit deal from 8am tomorrow morning.

It’s a 30-minute phone in hosted by @NickFerrariLBC - the number to ring 0345 60 60 973.

Full on PR campaign to sell the deal starts in earnest

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