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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 15/11/2018 18:01

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colouringinpro · 15/11/2018 18:01

Mini that's just what I was thinking! Whatever your politics she is Still Standing and to be honest I grudgingly respect her for it.

DeRigueurMortis · 15/11/2018 18:02

Place marking and thanks to RTB for the wonderful OP.

Motheroffourdragons · 15/11/2018 18:03

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WhollyFather · 15/11/2018 18:03

The fact the OP thinks it is either necessary, appropriate or amusing to make up 'funny' or abusive names for people who don't share his/her fatuous, anti-democratic opinions says it all.

Forecast: The remainers are beaten. May has hugely overplayed her hand and her lies have found her out. She will be lucky to last the weekend. We will leave with no Withdrawal Agreement - completely unnecessary - and keep the £39bn with which we were expected to bribe the EU for absolutely nothing. From next April we will trade with EU members (and others) on WTO terms until a good, fair FTA can be agreed. There will be no second referendum. The children-frightening stories told about WTO will be revealed as anti-Brexit lies.

We will be a self-governing democracy again, instead of becoming a province of a corrupt, corporatist Greater Germany run by unelected and unaccountable foreigners who clearly hate and despise us.

And the impact of all this on the EU?

‘With Brexit, the EU will lose its financial centre; its second-largest economy; the second-biggest net contributor to its budget; and a member with a political and cultural reach across the globe that not even France can match.’, as Italian Professor of International Law Guglielmo Verdirame wrote in Standpoint this month.

I couldn't care less. The EU is on the verge of collapse anyway and it will be far better for us to be on the outside when that happens.

Just thank God we didn't join the Euro.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 18:03

[paywall] EU leaders have no appetite to re-open talks

https://www.ft.com/content/1c20f364-0653-3028-aa0a-0dde7c26a6a6

Our team in Brussels report that EU leaders are in no mood to offer hope to anyone in the UK thinking a renegotiation is possible,
shunning the idea of reopening talks on the withdrawal deal
as they stressed the need for worst-case planning in the face of political upheaval in Westminster.

... even as Theresa May’s government is brought to the brink of collapse by ministerial resignations,
the EU side is showing little appetite to redraft a day-old agreement on a Brexit treaty that several member states see as already conceding too much.

Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, voiced the weariness of many European capitals on Thursday, saying there was already
“a document on the table that the UK and EU27 have agreed....
That is why for me the question of further negotiations does not arise at all.”

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 18:03

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Source says No 10 are now expecting Gove to resign tonight...

No 10 say no comment

Mordaunt is now at no10

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Minimammoth · 15/11/2018 18:04

I can’t express how much I despise Mogg. Give me a steam roller someone and I will iron his suit.....

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 18:04

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
I m told Gove has had a meeting with the PM - if he had accepted the job as Brexit sec I think we would know by now - if he hasn’t ... can’t help thinking that means he might v well be off

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smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 15/11/2018 18:05

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rainbowquack · 15/11/2018 18:06

@WhollyFather interesting.

Time will tell...

PineappleSunrise · 15/11/2018 18:06

This is just turning into a Tory free-for-all, isn't it? They can't help themselves. As soon as there's a sniff of a leadership bid, they fall all over themselves to stick the knife in and try scrambling to the top of the pile.

Xenia · 15/11/2018 18:06

I am afraid a lot of the comments on here are not normally allowed surely on MN - calling people rude nicknames, wanting to murder someone with a stame roller? Have we really come to that?

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 15/11/2018 18:09

smile you can safely ignore wholly. He likes to jump in every now and again, believing he can educate us poor unthinking mainly women and buggers off.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 18:09

Well, revocation would have at least one important supporter: Donald Tusk

https://www.ft.com/content/1c20f364-0653-3028-aa0a-0dde7c26a6a6

It's not the first time the European Council president has said it, nor - probably - the last. 

But Donald Tusk told reporters in Brussels today that the door to staying in the EU was still open.

"The EU is prepared for a final deal with the United Kingdom in November", he said.
"We are also prepared for a no-deal scenario but of course we are best prepared for a no-Brexit scenario."

MedicinalGin · 15/11/2018 18:09

It’s the Sparring Duds of May.

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smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 15/11/2018 18:10

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PineappleSunrise · 15/11/2018 18:10

Good one, Medicinal.

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 18:10

As soon as there's a sniff of a leadership bid, they fall all over themselves to stick the knife in and try scrambling to the top of the pile.

Hunt is the interesting one. He doesn't tend to do that. He just shuffles forward a bit, to get closer to the top job.

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BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 18:12

[paywall] CBI issues a terse warning

https://www.ft.com/content/1c20f364-0653-3028-aa0a-0dde7c26a6a6
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“No one should delude themselves – if the withdrawal agreement failing means crashing out of the EU without a deal, it would be a disaster.

No one wants a gridlocked Dover, a panicking financial system, medicine or rising food prices,"
said Josh Hardie, CBI deputy director-general.

“Securing a transition period has long been firms’ top priority.
Each day that passes without agreement means lost investment and jobs."

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 18:14

[paywall] Small Businesses Warn Too

https://www.ft.com/content/1c20f364-0653-3028-aa0a-0dde7c26a6a6

Mike Cherry, who chairs the Federation of Small Businesses, said this would be “damaging and dangerous” for small companies.

“The prospect of a no deal Brexit is already leading to some small businesses shelving business decisions, pausing investment
and more drastically, thinking about cutting staff"

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 18:14

Politicians having rude nicknames is a British tradition that goes back throughout the press history.

Yes I think it can be taken too far. But they are a political device in their own right, and you'd be hard pushed to stop that.

Its different to calling other posters names, which is just a pure personal attack.

I personally stop short of jibes based on personal appearance as a general rule.

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Buteo · 15/11/2018 18:15

Nice to see that wholly has once again swooped in to bestow his/its wisdom.

He/it pops up when things are looking ropey, recites some sound bites and then fucks off again.

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 18:15

Laura Kuenssberg@bbclaurak
Chief whip has just gone back to Commons

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 18:16

Steven Swinford @Steven_Swinford
Apparently Penny Mordaunt has been telling MPs in the tea room today that she WON'T resign.

Not sure that can really be the case given that she's still pushing for a free vote on the Brexit deal. Interesting though...

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