AIBU to think that if the government stopped or paused Brexit, it is highly unlikely there would be massive 'civil' unrest ?

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I have heard people say that if Brexit was stopped or even paused there would be riots and mass civil unrest as a result. I honestly don't think there would be, I know a lot of people would be annoyed or angry.

Would any leave voter on here seriously consider rioting ?

Honestly, yes. There would be riots in places like (an example) Stoke.

I'm originally from Stoke and the disaffected people there would riot, I'm almost sure of it.

Bare in mind I've known them riot when Argentina beat England. They actually trashed their own town because another country who wouldn't care about their town being trashed won a football game.

I don't think we'd see rioting directly as a result of putting the breaks on Brexit. But I do think that an unwillingness to look at why 52% of people felt no investment in the status quo means that we have missed a troubling signpost and that the subsequent ridicule and accusations of stupidity of those same disinvested people means that we are sat on a tinderbox that will see civil unrest in the future.

I voted remain, fwiw.

I often wonder what they will do if Brexit doesn't happen? They say they will 'kick off', but realisticalky how? Are they going to March on Downing Street and hit Theresa May with their walking sticks?

There will be riots- either next Summer or once the food prices really really rocket.

As the historians upthread have already pointed out- hot weather plus food shortages = rioting

We will have allowed it to be done to us too.

And you should all read ‘Travellers in the Third Reich’ it is spookily prescient.

Don’t riots in England tend to happen when it’s sunny?

Police can always kettle some of the over 50s if they get out of hand. If they’re anything like me, they’ll be hopping from foot to foot quite quickly.

Why next Summer ? Not that many days until Parliament breaks up for Christmas, there needs to be a WA agreed by then or it is no deal surely ?

Unless of course there is some sort of 'pause' in proceedings ?

But I do think that an unwillingness to look at why 52% of people felt no investment in the status quo means that we have missed a troubling signpost and that the subsequent ridicule and accusations of stupidity of those same disinvested people...

This.

The possible outcome, civil unrest, is clearly undesirable.

What actually bothers me more, day to day, is knowing how shit some people must feel their lives are, and I was appalled listening to the attitudes I heard expressed post-referendum; the variously ageist, classist sneering by seemingly compassion-free liberal bubblers was quite a thing to behold. Literally insults to, in many cases, the injury of chronic deprivation.

New Labour dropped the ball.

There is such an ignorant view on here about the demographic of people who voted to leave. Believed it or not some under 30s did actually vote to leave too.... I am 25 and everyone I know voted to leave.

Chronic deprivation caused by UK Governments not giving a gnats chuff about those deprived areas or doing anything to make those lives better.

(Fwiw, I’m a materially comfortable, middle-class, liberal Londoner. Used to be a Labour voter but not only have they failed their traditional voters, they’ve also thrown women under the bus so I’d struggle to give them my vote next GE.)

Makeahouse funnily enough the person I mentioned who had changed their mind was under 30, they are not happy that they will have to wait for a long time for things to get better , they were promised a more timely dividend.

A promise quickly reneged upon once the referendum result was in, now it is all 'we knew it would be bad for a while, it will be worth it in the (very) long run'

Some under 30s voted leave, some over 65s voted remain. Obviously.

However, they were a relatively small proportion.

That's not ignorance that's how it was.

For a riot to occur you need a critical mass of young people.

This is unlikely to occur in the big cities although a pp mentioned Stoke and that seems a likely place.

Chronic deprivation caused by UK Governments not giving a gnats chuff about those deprived areas or doing anything to make those lives better.

Let’s be charitable and say New Labour took the edge off what Thatcher started.

So we have some of the citizens of Stoke ( apologies to the non riotous residents ) the EDL and associated right wing roustabouts and rednecks parents neighbour as possible definites for a December uprising, pre-booked holidays and childcare arrangements notwithstanding ?

@MissSusanScreams - I read it recently (a period I know a bit about, it thought I did). It actually gave me the shivers for that reason.

Any other takers ?

I think violence would be justified. If democracy is ignored, it is the only way to bring about change.

Personally, I would be too chicken to do anything though and I suspect most people will be angry about it in their living rooms.

Also, no government will have the audacity to say "the voters got it wrong, it is going to be bad so we are cancelling Brexit". Their will be much more deceit. They will break the news slowly and wear people down over years until everyone is so tired of the issue to care.

Nope. My MiL and her sisters voted leave because they thought it would stop 'brown' people coming here. She knows how offensive and utterly fucking stupid it was now as me and her DS have educated her in the basics of UK and EU laws.

Now she is shit scared that her medication will be rationed. That her sister might not get the radiotherapy she needs, that her GS won't get the radioactive isotope treatment he is scheduled for.

Before this fucking referendum she never even thought about the EU. It never crossed her mind. She merrily flew back and forth to Spain to stay with her niece. A UK citizen who lives in Spain.

A niece who is now having to think about whether she will have to return to the UK. Will she be allowed residency in Spain? Will her Spanish husband and Spanish daughter be allowed to live here? I've been a civil servant for over 30 years but I'm horrified at the crap decisions that the HO are making.

What a fucking mess. But no. My MiL and her sisters won't be out causing civil unrest. They're fucking pissed off that they were lied to though.

Who do you think would be perpetrating the violence you believe is justified and are you talking criminal damage or GBH or murder Winebottle ?

Seriously Winebottle you think violence is justified? For a referendum procured through fraud and illegal foreign interference?

And every government should have the courage to say 'this referendum was illegally conducted. And as such we do not recognise it'. But they won't.

Why do ppl these if/buts post about brexit allll the time. It’s happening. It can’t just be “paused” it’s in our legal system. There’s is no stopping it, every1 in gov knows this 100%. if every just got on with the job since the vote we’d be in a much better position right now, if every 1 just accepted the results and poured there energy into talkin to mps about what they wanted out of us leaving the eu we would again... be in a much better position than we are now 💤

It can't just be "paused" it's in our legal system

Technically -- and legally - it can.

Article 50 could be withdrawn or extended or paused.