Corbyn - We can't stop Brexit

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Corbyn (just let me remind you all that his highest educational attainment was two Es at A level) has been interviewed by a German Newspaper Der Speigel.

In it he was asked about Brexit, his response was this.

“We can’t stop it,” he said. “The referendum took place. Article 50 has been triggered. What we can do is recognize the reasons why people voted Leave.”

Leaving aside the fact that yes we can stop Brexit at any time. Does that not clearly show where his thinking is that. He is a Brexiteer, he is on the same side as Farage, JRM, Boris etc. And we will do serious damage to this country AGAINST the wish of the majority of people.

The question is what will Labour MPs do?

If you voted leave then it can be argued that this is exactly what people voted for
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Voters are innocent. A corrupted and illegally funded opinion poll isn't.

It beats me that Corbyn claims to have been a successful campaigner against apartheid. So much of 'brexit' under the Withdrawal Act and emergency powers under Civil Contingencies Act is like apartheid too.

He's had his 15 minutes, time for him to move on.

"The Tories should have highlighted what leaving would look like"
It's not a party political thing. Plenty of Tory Remainers. Plenty of Labour Leavers.
Remainers tried to tell the truth at us was called Project Fear by Leaver toddlers who didn't like to hear about real consequences.

If you voted leave then it can be argued that this is exactly what people voted for

This is highly debatable. It sounds rather like the argument that 80% voted for parties which supported Brexit, implying that there was a huge support for it, when many were voting for a party which supported other issues like education, or housing reform.

I think it's reasonable to assume that those who voted for more money for the NHS were not expecting shortages of medicines, but might even have been expecting more treatments and better but more expensive medications being made available.

OOh, looks like JC is on his way out.

But Sir Keir told Sky News: "Brexit can be stopped. But the real question is, what are the decisions we're going to face over the next few weeks and months

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-keir-starmer-labour-jeremy-corbyn-sky-news-interview-peoples-vote-referendum-a8629426.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

"The Tories should have highlighted what leaving would look like"

Mrs May should certainly have asked her ERG group to spell out what it would look like, before appeasing them and invoking A50. If Rees-Mogg had told her before March 2017 that it would be 50 years before we knew what the benefits were, would she have paused for thought? (Maybe not, being May.)

"I think it's reasonable to assume that those who voted for more money for the NHS were not expecting shortages of medicines, but might even have been expecting more treatments and better but more expensive medications being made available."

No one like to be shown up as a mug. But anyone who fell for this is a mug.

The heads of so called 'Banana Republics' at least have a plan, even it it is horrible.

but it is more than a little disingenuous to make out that no blame lies with the opposition, or lack thereof.

C'mon bear, to imply the opposition could have made this government abandon any of its policies is disingenuous, its not like they listen to anything outside of their own inner circle or their vested interests. The times Labour have voted against a policy means nothing if the government wont change its mind, its called having a working majority

its called having a working majority
We have a minority gov on life support courtesy of bought DUP votes.
If the brexist labour 4 are continually allowed to vote with the tories it props up an illegitimate regime enforcing an illegitimate opnion poll.

Since there are reluctant attempts to establish 'dodgy money' links between particularly Russia/USA and the Tories, are there any suggestions that some money or influence has been passed to Labour Leave MPs?

The times Labour have voted against a policy means nothing if the government wont change its mind, its called having a working majority

Indeed - which is exactly why labour should have voted against the budget.

It wouldn’t have changed the outcome but at least they weren’t condoning a budget which made the well off even better off.

I honestly don’t understand why you are justifying this - Labour supporters should be outraged that their party , and in particular their leader, is so ineffective.

This lawyer is a leaver:

@davidallengreen

Who is most responsible for the current Brexit mess?

Every MP, of any party, who voted to support the premature Article 50 notification, and those who clapped and cheered this on.

No decent Brexit was then realistically possible, under any PM.

They are the guilty ones.

Just to re-iterate: Corbyn imposed a three line whip on the Labour MPs to vote for invoking A50.

He is therefore directly complicit in what is happening.

Although to give 20% of his MPs credit, they chose to ignore the whip.

We can spend the next 20 pages arguing who is to blame but it will get us no-where.
Labours stated policy is in the event of a no-deal vote, is to call for a GE and if not that, a public vote.
Unfortunately throwing the Labour party into another leadership election at this time would just be letting the tories off the hook yet again, in anycase, JC would win....again.

When art50 was triggered, no one realised the pathetic mess the cabinet is in, 7 resignations so far? and the atmosphere was definitely one of "respect the referendum" look at the hate Gina Millar has received? or the Supreme Court judges?
Labour opposing art50 would have meant months of hate headlines and would have achieved nothing.

Only the Tories can halt brexit or give us a public vote, they show zero signs of doing either, direct your anger at Tory HQ.

There is no argument over who is to blame. And no attempt, even a feeble one by JC to stop it.
My anger is directed at anyone who voted Leave. It speaks volumes that we can't be sure how JC voted.

According to Keir Starmer on R4 this morning all options are on the table. just not according to JC.

I have voted Conservative all my life, but would switch to any party which was willing to allow a further vote.

I thought on the Marr show he stated without doubt he voted Remain?

Corbyn cannot stop it, he could oppose it more vigorously no doubt but it would mean diddly squat to the end result, he isn't in coalition with the Con's.

Bell - that has been the case since the Labour party conference, just as Labour support trident, even though JC does not, he isn't a dictator.

If people want to stop this shit show, then they need to support and vote Lib Dem.

@jasjas1973 - if that is the will of conference (I knew this, btw) why isn't Corbyn saying it. Either he doesn't know how to handle media queries and got caught out - which means he's shit - or this is his view and he doesn't give a stuff what conference said - which means he's shit.
If he is not prepared to defend the position agreed by conference, he isn't some bloke in a pub in Sefton. He's the leader of the Opposition. He should leave now and let the grown ups do an adult's job. I'd be disappointed with a teenager acting like this.

On the tax cuts bear Clive Lewis had this to say -

Some of my Labour colleagues wanted us to oppose these threshold moves, arguing that they were regressive. And certainly, increasing the threshold for the higher paid wouldn’t be our priority. But after eight years of Tory austerity, with real wages still below their 2010 level, and with even the relatively better off feeling the pinch, it is hard to justify taking even this small amount away from people. In addition to coping with ever rising basic energy and food prices, the pressure of increasing costs for housing, travel and childcare have become intolerable even for many middle income earners. Nor could we turn our backs on a rock-solid manifesto promise not to increase income taxes for the bottom 95% of earners.

If people want to stop this shit show, then they need to support and vote Lib Dem.

Lol, good one

My understanding on Starmer's position is that Labour respect the vote in 2016. Labour await May's deal. If it is shit parliament will reject it. No deal won't happen it is a bluff. Therefore if May's deal is voted down parliament will take it back to the people. This is the Labour position. Absolutely fine with me.

In the meantime;

The Tories need to agree a deal that is favourable to the UK.
The Tories/DUP need to support this.
If they do not The Tories need to take it back to the people.

Perhaps naively I thought the 'opposition's role was to present an alternative vision of the UK which was effectively parallel, with varying convergence and divergence on topics. This would of course be costed and at an election the UK could then vote for plan A or plan B.
Day to day 'banter' SHOULD be about both or indeed all parties attempting to persuade others to their way of thinking.
Is there ant evidence of this or are Labour essentially sitting in the corner sulking?
I think that unicorn of mine might have caught fire!