Corbyn - We can't stop Brexit

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Corbyn (just let me remind you all that his highest educational attainment was two Es at A level) has been interviewed by a German Newspaper Der Speigel.

In it he was asked about Brexit, his response was this.

“We can’t stop it,” he said. “The referendum took place. Article 50 has been triggered. What we can do is recognize the reasons why people voted Leave.”

Leaving aside the fact that yes we can stop Brexit at any time. Does that not clearly show where his thinking is that. He is a Brexiteer, he is on the same side as Farage, JRM, Boris etc. And we will do serious damage to this country AGAINST the wish of the majority of people.

The question is what will Labour MPs do?

The 'problem' with immigration may have been solved.
Those that can leave are doing so, and the UK gov, backed by 'Leave' voters are making the place undesirable as a destination.

But the immigration issue is all economics! Making sure everyone has housing, everyone has schools for their children, everyone can get to see a doctor - all require investment (maybe from the surplus taxes that immigrants generate?) It's successive governments that haven't invested in these things. Not an EU issue at all.

{ It's successive governments that haven't invested in these things. Not an EU issue at all.}
Not if you believe the UK governmentS (both lots) and the Sun, Mail, Express etc. It was that one Polish plumber who came and was so efficient he took all the business away from thousands of English plumbers.

There is a lot of 'executive housing' being built near me. I doubt somehow whether they are all going to be snapped up by immigrants.

So it should now be bonanza time for the English plumbers since the Poles are all leaving.

Crossrail is delayed by 9 months because they couldn't find enough workmen (I forget which trades) to get it done on time.

Electricians, IIRC

Probably just as well then because electricity flows the other way in Europe.

Of course immigration isn’t just about economics. It’s about changing the culture of towns, about finding more land for houses and schools and hospitals. Where do people think the housing crisis has come from?

Where I live the green built is having to be built on to release sufficient land. A significant proportion of kids in each class require additional support because English isn’t their first language or even spoken.

Immigration at lower levels is beneficial and
worls well. Immigration at current levels simply does not

Immigration at current levels simply does not
Where is the evidence for this?

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

Do you have a view why London schools are doing so well? I think they perform particularly well for low income children. London is very multi cultural, lots of children without English.

The housing crisis has come about because of sky rocketing prices which for someone trying to purchase now require silly amounts for a deposit, which is hard to find when your job is precarious and there is no margin for saving for one. Then there is the state of the rental market, with all these buy to let landlords buying up properties which would normally have been purchased by first time home buyers.

But blame immigrants because that's the easy lazy excuse.

Of course immigration isn’t just about economics I agree.

My mum lives in an area of the country with some of the lowest levels of immigration, it's overwhelmingly white British. She is very keen to get immigration down, to the point she wants people removed, even second generation. Now I might have a little bit of sympathy (Not for wanting immigrants out, but for feeling unsettled) if the area she lived in had changed around her, that she was the only WB left, her social clubs and local services had changed to serve the needs of others and no longer served her, shops full of stuff she didn't recognise and people speaking languages she doesn't understand. This isn't the case though and in areas with high immigration, people voted remain. My mum is in her 70s.

Where on earth do you think a third of a million people will live?

Which third of a million is this?

Its interesting that we are back to erroneous appeals to emotion about the levels of immigration.

You realise there is no evidence to support any of the claims made.

But its not about evidence, its about the feelings.

I'm gonna love how the poorly educated brexit vote in poor areas are going to be fucked hard by brexit.

But its not about evidence, its about the feelings.

I agree.

Yep, religious style delusion

That's populism for you.
Extremely simple explanations
Extremely wrong

But often well packaged

Its the beauty of populism. It gives simple answers to complex questions.

Which third of a million is this?

Not sure where this came from a net migration perhaps but it's 0.5% of the U.K. population.

As non-EU immigration is equal or higher than EU immigration (and there are suggestions that non-EU immigration will have to rise to offset the decline in EU immigration and several Leavers here on MN have specifically claimed that their vote was effectively for this outcome), Brexit isn’t going to help much with the perceived “problem” of TooManyForrins.

That people say “too many forrins” is EXACTLY why you are dealing with Brexit and you still can’t see it.

The implication being that people concerned about immigration are illiterate in some way.

There is nothing wrong with being concerned that the culture of your small town is rapidly eroded by mass immigration.

There is nothing wrong with being concerned that the culture of your small town is rapidly eroded by mass immigration.

But how then does this explain that areas with high levels of immigrants voted Remain, and other areas, who wouldn't know what an immigrant looked like, voted leave? There is a good chance in those areas that the only 'foreigners' they do see are staff at the local hospital, and even these are British citizens originating from the Commonwealth.