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Corbyn - We can't stop Brexit

303 replies

SoloD · 10/11/2018 10:05

Corbyn (just let me remind you all that his highest educational attainment was two Es at A level) has been interviewed by a German Newspaper Der Speigel.

In it he was asked about Brexit, his response was this.

“We can’t stop it,” he said. “The referendum took place. Article 50 has been triggered. What we can do is recognize the reasons why people voted Leave.”

Leaving aside the fact that yes we can stop Brexit at any time. Does that not clearly show where his thinking is that. He is a Brexiteer, he is on the same side as Farage, JRM, Boris etc. And we will do serious damage to this country AGAINST the wish of the majority of people.

The question is what will Labour MPs do?

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 11/11/2018 22:21

I’m off now - this little Corbyn fan club sickens me.

Not as much as Tory austerity sickens me. Can't believe anybody could support it TBH.

jasjas1973 · 11/11/2018 22:22

Bear, i ve told you before, i don't support corbyn and i not a fan of his at all BUT he cannot stop or delay Brexit.

bellinisurge · 11/11/2018 22:22

The media is "against " him because he's shit. I don't need the media to tell me what he's like. I'm old and have seen him and his ilk fucking up the Labour Party in little unregarded corners for years. And, until now, not getting their nose in.
The Tories are there for the taking and he can't do it. Chuck him and get a grown up to do the job of leading the Opposition.

bellinisurge · 11/11/2018 22:23

@GhostofFrankGrimes why does disliking Corbyn mean supporting Tory austerity. Childish idea.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 11/11/2018 22:27

The media is "against " him because he's shit.

No the media is against him because they serve their own interests to keep the neo liberal wheel turning. The media didn't support Milliband either. Shame really.

If you don't like Corbyn vote for another party. He has been elected by the party membership. Accept this.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 11/11/2018 22:29

I’m off now - this little Corbyn fan club sickens me.

Well try and not vote tory next time eh bear, you had a choice and thanks for choosing to rob me of my benefits for being disabled through no fault of my own, its all Corbyns fault and you always seem to forget to mention that you voted for the party that brought you this shit show

GhostofFrankGrimes · 11/11/2018 22:36

why does disliking Corbyn mean supporting Tory austerity.

I'm referring to Tory voting remainers. The Tories sent the UK on this eurosceptic path. Its also abit late to be complaining about the country becoming poorer when we've had nearly a decade of austerity.

Peregrina · 11/11/2018 22:42

The LibDems did see their number of seats improve by 50%. Admittedly going from 8 to 12 is not exactly a lot to shout about. But so many people were I think voting to get the Tories out. Which they almost succeeded in.

To my mind, where Corbyn really failed was in the summer of 2016. This was when he should have really hammered the Tories, and he might then have been able to provide enough opposition to stop Theresa May invoking A 50.

woman11017 · 11/11/2018 22:51

79% of Labour voters want the public to be given the final say on a deal

I've worked for the party for decades. This fellow, Corbyn is not labour, he's swp. They are not famed for democratic practices.

He didn't try to stop the triggering of @50, he didn't try to stop the WA, he didn't seek to uphold the ECHR.

He is a horrendous public speaker, is useless at question time, interviews poorly when on tv, hates women's rights, and follows SWP 'rulings' on Judaism.

He's just not very good at it his job.

In normal times it wouldn't matter too much.

Right now, his enabling brexit and the crash out, by his inadequacy or collusion is causing the very worst for millions and millions of innocent souls.

The very worst.

bellinisurge · 12/11/2018 05:41

Do you think I haven't been affected by austerity? More patronising twaddle. This is going to take it to the next level. And we are doing it to ourselves. And he's not made a peep against it.

Bearbehind · 12/11/2018 07:12

Well try and not vote tory next time eh bear, you had a choice and thanks for choosing to rob me of my benefits for being disabled through no fault of my own, its all Corbyns fault and you always seem to forget to mention that you voted for the party that brought you this shit show

Yet Corbyns Labour voted for a budget which gives high rate tax payers £500 a year and low rate ones £100.

You’re deluded if you think this is all the fault of those who voted Tory.

Those who support such a lack of opposition are equally to blame - this allows the Tories to get away with it.

Mistigri · 12/11/2018 07:12

he cannot, never could, prob couldn't have swung a few 1000 votes, even amongst the young!..

What's the point of him then? We need inspirational leaders who can make bold decisions from a place of moral authority and then work to convince people they are right.

That's what Corbyn should be doing.

He's fucking useless.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 12/11/2018 07:19

What's the point of him then? We need inspirational leaders who can make bold decisions from a place of moral authority and then work to convince people they are right.

The Brexit position is entrenched. How many times have leave voters on these boards been shown evidence to counter their views? Has it changed their minds? Rarely, if ever.

Major and Blair have spoken out against Brexit. Has it changed public opinion? All the sharp suits and PR machines aren't going to change this.

CookiesandQueen · 12/11/2018 07:21

Yes, because ignoring the majority vote would be the right, democratic thing to do.

You're scraping the barrel with the academic snobbery, it says more about you than him.

bellinisurge · 12/11/2018 07:25

Small Majority of the people who bothered to vote in an advisory election. The consequences of which are, with No Deal, likely to be catastrophic. But if you think we should do it anyway, that's on you.
Not a peep from Corbyn.

bellinisurge · 12/11/2018 07:26

"election "? I mean referendum

GhostofFrankGrimes · 12/11/2018 07:26

EU referendum: Jeremy Corbyn warns of workers' rights 'bonfire' if UK leaves

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36039925

Corbyn made the argument for staying in the EU. Sadly that argument was lost. The vote must be respected. I know it will be a shitshow, politicians know it will be a shitshow. Only the government can stop this.

bellinisurge · 12/11/2018 07:28

Workers' rights problems is but part of how bad No Deal will be. If he had any honour he'd be on the TV instead of Kier Starmer.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 12/11/2018 07:29

Small Majority of the people who bothered to vote in an advisory election. The consequences of which are, with No Deal, likely to be catastrophic. But if you think we should do it anyway, that's on you.

Brexit was always going to be catastrophic. I don't think we should do it but the government have chosen to push ahead anyway despite what their impact assessment reports say. Cameron should never have called a referendum.

woman11017 · 12/11/2018 07:42

We are where we are and Corbyn is the 'leader' of the opposition.
No one voted for no food and medicine.
If he's not going to represent the 80% of labour voters who want a final say he should get out of the way.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 12/11/2018 07:53

No one voted for no food and medicine.

People were simply asked whether they wanted to stay or leave. If you voted leave then it can be argued that this is exactly what people voted for. The Tories should have highlighted what leaving would look like. They should also not have allowed the country to get to this point.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 12/11/2018 08:00

Yet Corbyns Labour voted for a budget which gives high rate tax payers £500 a year and low rate ones £100.

You’re deluded if you think this is all the fault of those who voted Tory.

So the Tory party offer a referendum to take us out of europe, but its not their fault?

The Tory party decide to enact austerity measures which stagnate the uk economy, but its not their fault?

The Tory party decided to cut 12 Billion out of the benefit system and made it harder for those of use with life changing disabilities to get the help we deserve, but its not their fault?

Mc Donnell had already said that Labour would not vote down any tax cuts for the poor the Tory party decided to link both tax cuts to each other, but those on the higher tax rate cant complain that Labour want their money.

Those who support such a lack of opposition are equally to blame - this allows the Tories to get away with it.

What bollocks is that?

Those who vote Tory allow the Tories to get away with it, but thats ok bear keep telling yourself that all the policies this shit show of a government enacted isnt their fault its everyone elses. Hmm

1tisILeClerc · 12/11/2018 08:01

Since BOTH Corbyn and May have shown such total incapacity to lead decisively in what started as a 'domestic spat' with some 'egging on' by (probably Russian and USA) money and individuals, how confident is anybody in good leadership when the UK has left the friends in the EU and someone declares war on the UK?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 12/11/2018 08:04

'domestic spat'

You mean Tory civil war.

Bearbehind · 12/11/2018 08:05

Those who vote Tory allow the Tories to get away with it, but thats ok bear keep telling yourself that all the policies this shit show of a government enacted isnt their fault its everyone elses

I haven’t said the Tories aren’t to blame or that I didn’t play a part by voting for them in the past but it is more than a little disingenuous to make out that no blame lies with the opposition, or lack thereof.

Corbyn is as much to blame now, possibly more so because his mandate wasn’t to deliver Brexit it was to ‘oppose’ the government and he didn’t bother his arse.