Budget supporting Middle England

[Bearbehind]

On what planet is is right that a couple earning £100k plus are over £1,000 better off when a couple earning £25k between them are £150 better off after the budget.

And the latter probably voted Leave in order to shake up the establishment.

New Labour continued with Thatcherite neo liberal economics. Corbyn is popular because he marks a return to traditional Labour principles. Of course high income Tory voters are unlikely to support this but if this thread is anything to go by they appear reluctant to blame the Tories for Brexit now they are likely to be hit financially. They’ve been dismissing Labour for years but now expect them to rescue high income Tory voters from the shitstorm.

The argument on EU membership needed to have been won pre referendum. I have little sympathy for Tory voters who backed a manifesto that included a referendum but now complain about the consequences.

I thought Leave voters of all stripes, Tory or Labour, were looking to Remainers to get them out of a mess. This despite calling us Remoaners for more than two years and crowing about how we lost.

Are you seriously suggesting that May would have amended her "Red Lines" because Labour had an anti-brexit policy?

I’m saying TM plucked her red lines out of her head - they are not supported by the Tory party as a whole.

Likewise JC does not act in line with his party’s commitments.

It’s dangerous having leaders who don’t actually represent the majority view of their party.

As for manifestos, they aren’t worth the paper the are written on sadly. Once in power commitments get dropped at will.

There’s not much point in blaming the Tories for Brexit - as said above, the decision was not split on party political lines and still isn’t.

There’s not much point in blaming the Tories for Brexit - as said above, the decision was not split on party political lines and still isn’t.

While it's true that the split isn't on party political lines, I don't see who else but the Tories can be blamed for Brexit - Cameron was the one who promised a Referendum and then wasn't clever enough, as Harold Wilson had been, to make sure that he won it.

The shambles now playing out is to do with May arbitrarily drawing red lines, before she had bothered to consider the ramifications of them.

So who else's fault is it, except the Tories?

Those who voted to Leave without having a clue how it would work out!

It’s all, if, if, if though isn’t it.

The Tories were wrong to hold the referendum.

Likewise, those who voted Leave were wrong not to question what they were told.

There’s a huge swathe of Leavers who vehemently deny believing any of those lies though - they are still convinced it’s the right decision despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Right now all we can hope for is our politician do what is in the best intertes of the country, but with the leaders of the 2 main parties having their own agenda, that’s not likely.

As you’re historically a Tory voter Bear, stop moaning about the mess you helped create. Instead, start clearing it up.

Stand for political office, either as an independent or as a member of a party (and try to effect change from within if you don’t like anything currently on offer).

Stand for political office, either as an independent or as a member of a party (and try to effect change from within if you don’t like anything currently on offer).

Yes, because it’s that simple

.....and appealed to all those suffering directly as a result of austerity brought in by the tories, suggesting these issues were the fault of the EU and bingo!

And Cameron had no arguments against this. He couldn't come out and say 'you are badly off because of my sh*t policies.' He was bailed out the first time by the LibDems but having helped to destroy them, his luck was out the next time.

I don't support Labour, but I won't blame them for the Referendum. I will blame them for not being an Opposition. I would like to see most of the current crop of older politicians cleared out.

I’m saying TM plucked her red lines out of her head - they are not supported by the Tory party as a whole

@Bear May picked these red lines because it gave her the support of the ERG and subsequently, the DUP, her gamble is that the rest of the party would not vote against her.

No point blaming Leave voters, many people in this country would support a whole raft of policies esp in regard to immigrant/deportations, death penalty, corporal punishment etc etc, its up to Parliament to left the tone and not be dragged down by the masses to the gutter.

The promise to hold a referendum was a centre piece of the Tory manifesto, it was a key specific promise to hold the EU vote by 2017

Perhaps you were more interested in increases to IHT, triple lock pensions and to raise the 40% tax threshold?

There are plenty of jobs you can do within a political party to help get a candidate elected. They are usually crying out for leaflet deliverers, canvassers, fund raisers, just thinking of three off the top of my head.

(Perhaps you were more interested in increases to IHT, triple lock pensions and to raise the 40% tax threshold?*

Yes, you are quite right jas. Those were exactly my priorities which is why I started this thread complaining about the fact I’d be better off as a high rate tax payer than a low rate tax payer will be.

Oh, hang on............

....I'm talking about why you ve voted tory, esp in 2015.......

To be honest, I’m completely disillusion with politicians full stop.

There’s only a handful who actually believe in what they say. The rest are career politicians who play the game to get what they can out of it.

I’m also fed up of hearing that Leavers are happy with any economic repercussions because ‘it will be worth it’

Bring it on now. It’s the only option left,

Because they were also key tory pledges in 2015 and you voted for them!!!

Then get active Bear. Did you go on the demo? I suspect not, but there were Tories for Remain marching. Write to Theresa May, and tell her that very few people want to see the country destroyed. If you have a moderate/Remain Tory MP write to them to tell them to keep up the pressure and not to lose heart.

I know you are jas but, as I’ve said, those things were not my priorities.

You are stuck in the rut of assuming people vote entirely for personal gain - they don’t.

I just previously agreed with Tory policies on the whole more than I did Labour.

I’m still interested to hear your defence of Corbyn as a leader - why do you think it’s ok for people to vote ‘despite’ a leader not ‘because’ of him?

Did you go on the demo? I suspect not, but there were Tories for Remain marching.

Well you suspect wrong then.

OK, I stand corrected - as I said there were Tories for Remain, with a great big banner too. It all helps to send a message to May, tin eared though she is, that yes, the country might narrowly have voted to leave in 2016 but now that the facts are becoming known, significant numbers have changed their minds.

Sadly peregrna I think it’s too late now.

We are going to end up with BINO or no deal.

I suspect BINO unless TM decides her pride has been dented then we’ll get no deal out of her spite.

Either way we have a worse situation than before and all for what?