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Westministenders: A Change of Mood

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2018 17:57

A day after 700,000 people came from all over the country to march on the streets of the Capital to protest and say there needs to be another vote on what next.

Has it changed anything?

Well the mood is changing.

Former leavers are starting to have doubts. Not necessarily about leaving but certainly about how its been handled. Some have ridicilous ideas on how it should be done which are not grounded in any sort of reality. But others are starting to realise that a lot of what Remainers said, at least has some truth, in terms of the complexity and practical problems of leaving.

The EU who previoiusly have been exasperated but accomodating are starting to baton down the hatches and move to a no deal position. The EU summit in November will now no longer include the UK because progress has not been made, although we have been told this is changeable if we have a change of heart. At the summit they will talk about No Deal planning. There has been talk that the final deadline for the UK is 13th December, but there are also some saying this is optimistic and in reality its the middle of November in political terms because this is when EU countries will start committing large amounts of money to No Deal. At this point, it becomes much more difficult for leaders to justify to their own population 'wasting' money on no deal measures.

Back in the UK, the penny is starting to drop. Peston has talked about just how far away we really are from a deal. He's the first main stream journalist to say it outloud. Everyone else is still maintaining we will get a deal, when May just does not have the power in her own party to manage it. She is now reaching out to Labour to help her get a deal as its her only option left open to her now.

May has to get the budget through parliament before the EU summit - on the 1st November - and the DUP are already threatening to vote against it as leverage to get their own way on Brexit.

Tory MP Johnny Mercer is so fed up of it all, that he's come out saying that that he wouldn't vote Tory now, and its all a "complete shit show".

This apparently hasn't gone down too well with other Tories as they feel it means that its more likely to provoke a leadership challenge sooner rather than later. It has been reported that May has been effectively been put on notice and she 72 hours to sort it out. She has been called to a 1922 Committee Meeting on Wednesday to answer to backbenchers.

Up until now, its been thought that the 48 letters wouldn't be sent to Graham Brady because she would win a no confidence vote. Its now being reported that there is a creeping fear that the party would end up with a situation like Labour where they were unable to get rid of Corbyn, and if a leadership challenge was launched they would need to just get rid of her now.

Quick revision:

  1. To trigger a confidence vote 48 letters (15% of Tory MPs) need to be sent to Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 Committee.
  2. There is then a vote, and the leader needs 156 MPs (50.1%) of the vote to win or they face a leadership election.
  3. If there is no confidence vote, another one can't be called for twelve months.

There has been talk of David Davis as an interim leader, which isn't true; its just the start of another round of positioning as Tories smell the blood of a wounded leader. Johnson is also circling and isn't impressed at David Davis seemingly throwing his hat in the ring, despite previously he would just retire.

Triggering a no confidence vote, just before the EU summit around the time of the budget could be just about the worst timing possible if thats the case...

... it would leave British politics in complete chaos and the EU will have effectively run out of time and will have to commit themselves to No Deal anyway.

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2018 21:24

Commiserations, MrsR8

OlennasWimple · 24/10/2018 21:25

£2.4million......

Leadsome and Gove must both know about this (from their time as Whips aka keepers of the dirt). Who else?

bellinisurge · 24/10/2018 21:26

@BigChocFrenzy - I'd heard about it but not actually heard it.
Oh my fucking God! Are we allowed to call that Brexiteer a dumb ass at least? Jesus! How much did his parents pay for his education? Can they get a refund?
Best laugh I've had for weeks.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2018 21:29

Tory leader tells German Socialist MEP that Nazis ‘want the same things as you’

Another disgusting fuckwit
Whar HAS the Tory party turned into ?
Leader of the Tory MEPs obviously not bothered about gaining support in the EP for Britain:

www.politico.eu/article/syed-kamall-udo-bullmann-european-parliament-ecr-socialsts-tory-leader-tells-german-socialist-mep-that-nazis-want-the-same-things-as-you/

BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2018 21:34

UKIP MEPs turn out in force to discuss.... Members entitlements after Brexit

They have the lowest attendance rate of any party in the EP
but for this debate they all turned up

UKIP MEP snouts ready for the post-Brexit trough

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ukip-meps-turn-out-in-force-to-discuss-members-entitlements-after-brexit/24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1pL4k_jLD2wTv72fjVHtLv4SudI0VOa-EWaA5AN2rJ0roOgDijHakebHo

A €6 million golden goodbye will be handed out to all of Britain’s 73 MEPs,
which according to sources in Brussels will be added to the “Brexit bill”.

Peregrina · 24/10/2018 21:46

Whar HAS the Tory party turned into ?

Just showing its true colours again - the 1950s when McMillan built houses being an aberration. It's the party of the "upper classes" and significant numbers of them were Nazi sympathisers, not just the Mitford sisters and Edward VIII.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2018 21:49

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/24/no-deal-brexit-would-halt-most-uk-spain-flights-industry-says

Alexandre de Juniac, Iata’s director general and chief executive, warned that a no-deal Brexit could lead to “thousands, millions of passengers” potentially grounded at airports after the UK leaves the EU on 29 March 2019.

“If nothing is done it will be a nightmare in the European and UK airports,”
...
The EU and the UK’s Civil Aviation Authority have plans for a “bare bones” agreement to ensure a basic level of service, according to the report
...
Major British carriers may also be unable to continue transatlantic flightss* if there is no deal

Motheroffourdragons · 24/10/2018 22:30

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WorriedMutha · 24/10/2018 22:46

BigChoc, how feasible is life in Germany for those of us in our 50s?Where do most British emigrants live? We will be empty nesters within a year and love Germany. We would move in a heartbeat if we were in our 20/30s with young children but it doesn't seem to be the go to place for those of us in our 50s in the same way that Spain and France are. Ireland and France are doable for us but we both have a fondness for Germany/Austria and are more fluent in the language (compared to French).

BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2018 23:12

Mutha When you say feasible, what do you want exactly ?
Brit expats ?
Plenty to do & see ?
Good healthcare / public transport / ... ?

I'm 62 and my flat literally exits onto the Rhine path
In this particular village, I haven't heard any English spoken and I may be the only Brit

My retirement will be sometime in the next months (haven't decided) and I'll be moving , but not to an expat colony -- they don't really exist in Germany as they do in Spain

Further South, along the 65 km UNESCO World Heritage section of the Rhine, there will be more English spoken, especially in the towns and larger villages

However, you would still need reasonably fluent German to be able to socialise because I don't know of any large Brit expat community anywhere there, just in the big cities like Frankfurt or Berlin.
afaik, there are still only about 120k Brits in all Germany

Many professional people and almost all of the young professionals should be able to speak English, but they normally wouldn't when socialising together

Glorious sights: beautiful scenery, umpteen old castle, spectacular vineyards on incredibly steep valley slopes
Plenty of day cruises, shops, winehouses with their own produce, restaurants

Healthcare is pretty good everywhere in Germany, with more doctors and hosiptal beds per 10,000 population than the UK
Public transport is efficient and trains & tubes much cheaper than the UK

BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2018 23:24

More details on the pipe bombings - all to Trump opponents / critics

More intended recipients than we thought, as some were stopped before reaching them

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/24/clinton-bomb-reports-delivery-home-new-york-hillary-bill-latest

Pipe bombs have been sent to prominent critics of Donald Trump, authorities said on Wednesday, spreading terror in the US less than two weeks before the midterm elections.

Packages containing suspected explosives were sent to the homes of the former president Barack Obama and the former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton but intercepted by the US Secret Service.

Two more suspect packages, addressed to the Democratic congresswoman Maxine Waters of California and former attorney general Eric Holder, were discovered before reaching their targets.

And CNN evacuated its studios in New York after what police called a “live explosive device” was found in its mailroom.
The package was addressed to John Brennan, the former CIA director, who has repeatedly clashed with Trump.

The packages were found after the discovery on Monday of a bomb in a mailbox at the New York home of George Soros, the billionaire liberal donor.

The FBI said that device and at least four others found so far were in matching envelopes with similar address labeling and stamps.

Son of George Soros calls bombs a threat 'to the future of American democracy

Some Democrats expressed fears that party figures were coming under attack in advance of the 6 November congressional elections.

James O’Neill, the New York police commissioner, said the recipients may have been selected because of their opposition to Trump. “
It is of concern to us,” O’Neill said.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2018 23:32

5th column, traitors ruining Brexit ... ?

< Tinfoil Central alert >

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1035725/Brexit-news-nigel-farage-twitter-brexit-timeline-backstop-news-latest-deal-deadline

Speaking in Brussels to LBC, the former Ukip leader said: “I now firmly believe the real obstruction to all of this over Northern Ireland isn’t actually Brussels, it’s our own civil service, Olly Robbins.

“Our civil service abandoned neutrality decades ago, they’re fully signed up to the European Project.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/10/2018 06:21

May sets November date to trigger no-deal Brexit preparations

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/24/may-sets-november-date-to-trigger-no-deal-brexit-preparations

Theresa May has set a date for Whitehall to trigger a series of no-deal Brexit preparations as her government faces up to the possibility that there will be no agreement with the EU about Britain’s departure.

With less than six months to go before the UK leaves the bloc,
the cabinet has agreed that a flurry of activity will be triggered in the second week of November as the government prepares to crash out of the EU, informed sources said.

Civil servants have also accelerated plans to lay down new laws and secondary legislation so that UK businesses and both British and EU citizens can prepare.

woman11017 · 25/10/2018 06:28

They also raised the issue of waste exports, which Defra thinks could take over six months to sort out after Brexit. The industry has pointed out that such an interruption to the supply chain could result in nearly 2 million tonnes of waste stranded in the UK

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-no-deal-michael-gove-house-of-lords-livestock-waste-a8600001.html

They missed a good one with that headline.

Mrsr8 · 25/10/2018 06:57

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mathanxiety · 25/10/2018 07:00

In May 2017 Russian ambassador Vladimir Chizhov told MLex the UK's bid to replicate its EU agreements will need Russia's help and take "a hell of a time and a hell of an effort". In the same interview he said he hoped Brexit might bring about the end of sanctions on Russia.
All in the context of setting tariffs/WTO approval.

Wed 24-Oct-18 16:29:15
From RTB yet again - a huge mwahahahaha to that.

So much for sovereignty.

Expecting to hear any day now that Roman Abramovich's visa application has been discovered behind a radiator and rubber stamped..

mathanxiety · 25/10/2018 07:09

Horrible news from NY/Clintons/Obamas/CNN.

It was only a matter of time. The NYC officials didn't hold back when it came to ascribing blame, though their language was diplomatic.

I went to parent teacher meetings tonight in the high school (nowhere near NY) and this news was of serious concern. I overheard two parents wondering out loud if some right wing looney fringers might make some sort of gesture in our suburb, which is a very, very progressive place, the bluest of blue. Nobody was suggesting the best way to combat any violent gesture was to rush out and buy firearms but people are quite worried and incredibly dismayed.

Such is the fortress mood right now in this very Democratic corner of the US among reasonable, well-educated people, professionals for the most part, who care about their children.

woman11017 · 25/10/2018 07:28

It horrible news math sending Flowers to you and other parents.

Mrsr8 · 25/10/2018 07:53

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Quietrebel · 25/10/2018 07:59

bigchoc

That insult comparing the SPD to Nazis left my jaw open. That and Hunt recently reiterating his own deeply offensive comparison of the EU to the USSR...
Respect is a two way street- that's all I can say.

Quietrebel · 25/10/2018 08:01

math

How terrifying !! Hope reason will prevail (ultimately)

TheElementsSong · 25/10/2018 08:04

Flowers math

What is wrong with these people?!

boldlygoingsomewhere · 25/10/2018 08:09

Flowers Math. How worrying for you.

RedToothBrush · 25/10/2018 08:45

AFP news agency @AFP
#BREAKING Tokyo's Nikkei closes down 3.72% as global markets plunge

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