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Westministenders: A Change of Mood

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2018 17:57

A day after 700,000 people came from all over the country to march on the streets of the Capital to protest and say there needs to be another vote on what next.

Has it changed anything?

Well the mood is changing.

Former leavers are starting to have doubts. Not necessarily about leaving but certainly about how its been handled. Some have ridicilous ideas on how it should be done which are not grounded in any sort of reality. But others are starting to realise that a lot of what Remainers said, at least has some truth, in terms of the complexity and practical problems of leaving.

The EU who previoiusly have been exasperated but accomodating are starting to baton down the hatches and move to a no deal position. The EU summit in November will now no longer include the UK because progress has not been made, although we have been told this is changeable if we have a change of heart. At the summit they will talk about No Deal planning. There has been talk that the final deadline for the UK is 13th December, but there are also some saying this is optimistic and in reality its the middle of November in political terms because this is when EU countries will start committing large amounts of money to No Deal. At this point, it becomes much more difficult for leaders to justify to their own population 'wasting' money on no deal measures.

Back in the UK, the penny is starting to drop. Peston has talked about just how far away we really are from a deal. He's the first main stream journalist to say it outloud. Everyone else is still maintaining we will get a deal, when May just does not have the power in her own party to manage it. She is now reaching out to Labour to help her get a deal as its her only option left open to her now.

May has to get the budget through parliament before the EU summit - on the 1st November - and the DUP are already threatening to vote against it as leverage to get their own way on Brexit.

Tory MP Johnny Mercer is so fed up of it all, that he's come out saying that that he wouldn't vote Tory now, and its all a "complete shit show".

This apparently hasn't gone down too well with other Tories as they feel it means that its more likely to provoke a leadership challenge sooner rather than later. It has been reported that May has been effectively been put on notice and she 72 hours to sort it out. She has been called to a 1922 Committee Meeting on Wednesday to answer to backbenchers.

Up until now, its been thought that the 48 letters wouldn't be sent to Graham Brady because she would win a no confidence vote. Its now being reported that there is a creeping fear that the party would end up with a situation like Labour where they were unable to get rid of Corbyn, and if a leadership challenge was launched they would need to just get rid of her now.

Quick revision:

  1. To trigger a confidence vote 48 letters (15% of Tory MPs) need to be sent to Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 Committee.
  2. There is then a vote, and the leader needs 156 MPs (50.1%) of the vote to win or they face a leadership election.
  3. If there is no confidence vote, another one can't be called for twelve months.

There has been talk of David Davis as an interim leader, which isn't true; its just the start of another round of positioning as Tories smell the blood of a wounded leader. Johnson is also circling and isn't impressed at David Davis seemingly throwing his hat in the ring, despite previously he would just retire.

Triggering a no confidence vote, just before the EU summit around the time of the budget could be just about the worst timing possible if thats the case...

... it would leave British politics in complete chaos and the EU will have effectively run out of time and will have to commit themselves to No Deal anyway.

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HesterThrale · 24/10/2018 18:57

Powerful anti-Farage speech from Seb Dance at the European Parliament. He also asks the EP to allow more time so a People’s Vote can happen.

mobile.twitter.com/SebDance/status/1055132716021227520

Motheroffourdragons · 24/10/2018 18:57

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Hazardswan · 24/10/2018 19:05

Scotland Yard dismiss Brexit allegations

[https://www.byline.com/column/67/article/2325]

Sad times...

Hazardswan · 24/10/2018 19:06

Try again...

[https://www.byline.com/column/67/article/2325]

Hazardswan · 24/10/2018 19:07

No clicky'ing sorry!

mother me neither, welcome to the ignored club Wink

RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 19:08

Jessica Elgot @jessicaelgot
One MP leaves declaring "outbreak of unity... not a single dissenting voice" at the 1922. Is she safe? "Well, you look over the cliff, consider the alternative, and then think, hmmmm, perhaps not."

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RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 19:11

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/24/freezing-uk-tower-block-was-cash-cow-for-foreign-investors
Freezing UK tower block was cash cow for foreign investors

Agents at Liverpool flats faced 13 prosecutions last year as housing benefit flowed abroad

I do not know where to start with this one.

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Mrsr8 · 24/10/2018 19:20

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mathanxiety · 24/10/2018 19:33

woman11017 Tue 23-Oct-18 20:22:14

Wrt the amendments on high powered rifles, signed by the DUP and some Tories - this is preparation by the DUP (in the form of its paramilitary associates the UVF and UDA and the Red Hand Commando) for civil war - in Ireland.

I suspect they see the writing on the wall wrt unification but they intend to literally fight it to the bitter end. At the same time they don't want to risk being seen for the thugs they are by engaging in criminal gun running. Remains to be seen what their opposite numbers might do if high powered weaponry became legal.

Hazardswan · 24/10/2018 19:34

Doh! I forgot it was [[ 2 not one Blush

woman11017 · 24/10/2018 19:53

Thanks math useful, thought so.

No doubt they'll be happy to share their high powered rifles with fellow travellers in england who, for example, break people's noses for wearing the 'wrong' T shirt.

1tisILeClerc · 24/10/2018 20:52

{Transport Secretary Chris Grayling said this week that alternatives to Calais such as Harwich and Felixstowe could replace Calais if France is difficult.}
Borrowed from the Sun (!) but I think I saw it elsewhere. My geography has it that Calais is in France but Harwich and Felixstowe are in the UK, so how can they replace Calais?

redsummershoes · 24/10/2018 20:58

felixtowe goes to belgium (I think)
and harwich to the netherlands. (used to go to denmark as well, but that ferry stopped service a couple of years back)

HesterThrale · 24/10/2018 21:00

One CEO is now being blunt.

Philips's Factory in the U.K. Hangs in Balance Over Brexit
Dutch company says profitability at site hurt by pound swings. CEO says nothing less than seamless EU trade will save plant.
Prospects for Royal Philips NV’s baby products factory in Britain are growing increasingly bleak with every passing month of political wrangling over Brexit.
The Dutch health-tech company has been warning since July that anything short of a seamless single-market customs union between the U.K. and the European Union could result in the shutdown of production.

www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-10-23/philips-s-factory-in-the-u-k-hangs-in-balance-over-brexit?__twitter_impression=true

RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 21:11

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/dominic-raab-confidentiality-agreement-female-colleague?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bfsharetwitter&utm_term=.jhNBj2dzb&__twitter_impression=true
The Brexit Secretary Has A Historic Confidentiality Agreement With A Female Colleague
It is one of the dozens of confidentiality clauses agreed in Westminster in recent years

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RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 21:13

Earlier this year BBC's Newsnight reported that £2.4 million had been spent on nondisclosure agreements for former House of Commons staff since 2013.

Fifty-three departing staff members signed contracts requiring them not to reveal information.

According to publicly available court documents, Raab’s confidentiality clause was agreed back in August 2007 — before he became an MP — when he was working as chief of staff to David Davis.

The documents said both Raab and Davis entered into a "compromise agreement" with a woman who also worked in Davis’s office.

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2018 21:16

Oh dear God, I hadn't heard this before. If anyone needs belly laughs,
this 14 Oct radio interview (BBC Radio All out Politics) with Brexiter MP Andrew Bridgen is hysterical ! 😂😂

This fuckwit thinks :

  1. there is a reciprical agreement between Britain and the RoI that their citizens can obtain passports
    e.g. he thought he could go over to the RoI straightaway and get an Irish passport (without living there)

  2. the people in the RoI can vote in UK GEs, without living there
    How can an MP be so delusional about who can vote

Interviewer was speechless at one point; obviously couldn't believe any MP could be that stupid

These delusions may explain why they thought Brexit would be so easy !

Somebody at Tory Central Office must have phoned him frantically during the break for the news, because he wasn't on the line when Nolan came back to him "Oh, he's run away" 😂

BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2018 21:18

NDAs with Commons staff 😬
I had no fucking idea - did you, red ?

How dare the HoC spend OUR money covering up their sordid affairs or even harassment of staff

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 24/10/2018 21:20

£2.4 million Shock

Fucking hell

mathanxiety · 24/10/2018 21:22

From RTB's post Tue 23-Oct-18 20:54:11.
Cabinet members met today to discuss a no-deal Brexit as experts warned that leaving the EU will hit Britain’s ability to tackle serious and organised crime and import medicines as well as hurt the scientific community.
www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/crime-agency-boss-in-stark-warning-over-no-deal-brexit-bss23cjfm
Crime agency boss in stark warning over no‑deal Brexit

"The Third Man" is one of my favourite movies but I would only like to experience it from the comfort of my local cinema or my couch at home. I wonder was the crime agency boss' mind meandering in the same direction as mine is.

Mrsr8 · 24/10/2018 21:22

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2018 21:22

From that Buzzfeed link:

In 2011, Raab’s solicitor wrote to the woman warning that if she breached the terms of the agreement she would “be required to repay the sum [she was] paid in consideration for the confidentiality obligations”.
She made clear she had no intention of breaching the agreement.

In 2012, Raab won an apologyy^ from the Mail on Sunday after it published “unfounded” allegations about his behaviour. 😳