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Brexit

Westministenders: A Change of Mood

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2018 17:57

A day after 700,000 people came from all over the country to march on the streets of the Capital to protest and say there needs to be another vote on what next.

Has it changed anything?

Well the mood is changing.

Former leavers are starting to have doubts. Not necessarily about leaving but certainly about how its been handled. Some have ridicilous ideas on how it should be done which are not grounded in any sort of reality. But others are starting to realise that a lot of what Remainers said, at least has some truth, in terms of the complexity and practical problems of leaving.

The EU who previoiusly have been exasperated but accomodating are starting to baton down the hatches and move to a no deal position. The EU summit in November will now no longer include the UK because progress has not been made, although we have been told this is changeable if we have a change of heart. At the summit they will talk about No Deal planning. There has been talk that the final deadline for the UK is 13th December, but there are also some saying this is optimistic and in reality its the middle of November in political terms because this is when EU countries will start committing large amounts of money to No Deal. At this point, it becomes much more difficult for leaders to justify to their own population 'wasting' money on no deal measures.

Back in the UK, the penny is starting to drop. Peston has talked about just how far away we really are from a deal. He's the first main stream journalist to say it outloud. Everyone else is still maintaining we will get a deal, when May just does not have the power in her own party to manage it. She is now reaching out to Labour to help her get a deal as its her only option left open to her now.

May has to get the budget through parliament before the EU summit - on the 1st November - and the DUP are already threatening to vote against it as leverage to get their own way on Brexit.

Tory MP Johnny Mercer is so fed up of it all, that he's come out saying that that he wouldn't vote Tory now, and its all a "complete shit show".

This apparently hasn't gone down too well with other Tories as they feel it means that its more likely to provoke a leadership challenge sooner rather than later. It has been reported that May has been effectively been put on notice and she 72 hours to sort it out. She has been called to a 1922 Committee Meeting on Wednesday to answer to backbenchers.

Up until now, its been thought that the 48 letters wouldn't be sent to Graham Brady because she would win a no confidence vote. Its now being reported that there is a creeping fear that the party would end up with a situation like Labour where they were unable to get rid of Corbyn, and if a leadership challenge was launched they would need to just get rid of her now.

Quick revision:

  1. To trigger a confidence vote 48 letters (15% of Tory MPs) need to be sent to Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 Committee.
  2. There is then a vote, and the leader needs 156 MPs (50.1%) of the vote to win or they face a leadership election.
  3. If there is no confidence vote, another one can't be called for twelve months.

There has been talk of David Davis as an interim leader, which isn't true; its just the start of another round of positioning as Tories smell the blood of a wounded leader. Johnson is also circling and isn't impressed at David Davis seemingly throwing his hat in the ring, despite previously he would just retire.

Triggering a no confidence vote, just before the EU summit around the time of the budget could be just about the worst timing possible if thats the case...

... it would leave British politics in complete chaos and the EU will have effectively run out of time and will have to commit themselves to No Deal anyway.

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DGRossetti · 24/10/2018 16:56

Nadine is throwing a tantrum.

Proof that no matter how dark things get, there's always something to put a smile on your face.

Mrsr8 · 24/10/2018 16:56

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DGRossetti · 24/10/2018 16:59

She's SO cross and frothy!

and thick.

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 24/10/2018 17:01

Thank you for the transferwise information, mrs and fennel . I will look into it (= add it to the huge stressful preparations list Sad)

Another one here with a (thoughtful and intelligent) DH who still thinks it will all be fine pineapple. Strange how common this appears to be!

Mrsr8 · 24/10/2018 17:03

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RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 17:12

Vice President Mike Pence @VP
We condemn the attempted attacks against fmr Pres Obama, the Clintons, @CNN & others. These cowardly actions are despicable & have no place in this Country. Grateful for swift response of @SecretService, @FBI & local law enforcement. Those responsible will be brought to justice.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
I agree wholeheartedly!

At least we aren't at ignoring this or denying it. We are on the road to it, but not there yet...

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Cherrypi · 24/10/2018 17:24

Imperial has crept back on to the Maths curriculum after disappearing in the 90s.

Peregrina · 24/10/2018 17:32

You have to blame Gove for that.

RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 17:47

Tom Tugendhat is pissed

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/transport/road-transport/opinion/house-commons/99323/tom-tugendhat-mp-government-needs-act
Tom Tugendhat MP: Government needs to act now to prevent the Garden of England turning into the Lorry Park of England
Tonbridge and Malling MP Tom Tugendhat writes ahead of his Adjournment debate on the effect of M26 road closures, having recently discovered that works on the M26 had begun without consultation with the local community or Kent MPs.

Without public consultation??

In my adjournment debate on Thursday I’ll be looking for answers from government about why it is Kent which has to feel the impact of this national problem.

and

Villages like Wrotham could almost be cut off as a result. Communities like Borough Green, which already has traffic and air quality problems, will become no-go areas.

Brexit no-go zones.
On the irony.

Maybe they could evacuate whole villages for the national interest.

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RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 17:51

norman smith @BBCNormanS
Jam packed meeting of Tory Backbenchers for PM with some latecomers even being turned away

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KennDodd · 24/10/2018 17:51

Can we please have some light relief.

Peregrina · 24/10/2018 17:55

Tugendhat says Most HGVs pass through Kent on route to Europe. They don’t start or end their journeys here. So why should we be responsible for storing them? I want to know why the Government isn’t looking to keep lorries at source, so they only take to the road when the routes are clear.

So how would he guarantee that an HGV starting its journey in say Manchester did not hit a hold up in Birmingham and then be delayed? How far back does he want the lorry parks to be? It seems fitting to me that since Kent voted Leave, they should bear the consequences either good or bad.

RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 17:56

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
High drama at the 1922: moments after PM walks in, 30 Tory peers purposefully walk out. Excited hacks: “Where are you going?”
Peers: “To vote”.
Ah.

Jessica Elgot @jessicaelgot
PM has arrived at the 1922 to (predictably) loud banging. She jokes with some MPS who can’t fit into the committee room. “We can’t get in but we support you anyway!” the MP says. “100%!”

Kevin Schofield @PolhomeEditor
First rule of Tory Rebel Club - don’t rebel.

Gonna stick my neck out and say, I think we can all 'relax' as May is staying put.... (relax might be the wrong word. I am thinking a sentiment that makes you relieved you don't have to witness the horror of a Tory Leadership Contest)

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RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 17:59

Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick
I understand House of Commons Commmission has accepted all three crucial recommendations on bullying and harassment

If so, then new bullying & harassment complaints process will consider historic allegations such as those against John Bercow, and it will now be independent, so no longer MPs judging MPs

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RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 18:02

Press Association @PA
#Breaking Russian President Vladimir Putin has said the deployment of US intermediate-range missiles in Europe would force Russia to target nations hosting them

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RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 18:13

The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo says his Manhattan office also received a suspicious device.

Up to 5 now.

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Hazardswan · 24/10/2018 18:13

They built up the hype of 1922 commitee for no reason? As a distraction?

TheElementsSong · 24/10/2018 18:22

MP Tom Tugendhat writes ahead of his Adjournment debate on the effect of M26 road closures, having recently discovered that works on the M26 had begun without consultation with the local community or Kent MPs.

The public of Kent were consulted - they voted to Leave, and as we all know, Leavers knew each and every possible outcome of what they voted for.

DGRossetti · 24/10/2018 18:23

You can store thousands of lorries on the M6 in Birmingham.

We've been running practices for years ....

DGRossetti · 24/10/2018 18:24

The public of Kent were consulted - they voted to Leave, and as we all know, Leavers knew each and every possible outcome of what they voted for.

Indeed. I wonder how they'd vote now ....

RedToothBrush · 24/10/2018 18:25

Paul Waugh @paulwaugh
One senior Brexiteer MP, who has decided not to attend the cheerleading 1922, tells me: "It doesn't change the underlying mood. She's still at teeter point. It's 50:50 whether she gets through the next week".

norman smith @BBCNormanS
Unless my eyes deceived me did not see DD or Boris at 22. Probably catching up with “Strictly. It Takes Two. “

Strokes chin in thought....

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Peregrina · 24/10/2018 18:26

The public of Kent were consulted - they voted to Leave, and as we all know, Leavers knew each and every possible outcome of what they voted for.
Grin Grin

Motheroffourdragons · 24/10/2018 18:33

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Hazardswan · 24/10/2018 18:38

mother knowing my luck she'll go 1st of January the day after my bet ends Grin

borntobequiet · 24/10/2018 18:42

Times have changed now but until fairly recently the people I taught who were best at Imperial weights - and fractions - were the drug dealers.

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