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Brexit

Westministenders: A Change of Mood

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2018 17:57

A day after 700,000 people came from all over the country to march on the streets of the Capital to protest and say there needs to be another vote on what next.

Has it changed anything?

Well the mood is changing.

Former leavers are starting to have doubts. Not necessarily about leaving but certainly about how its been handled. Some have ridicilous ideas on how it should be done which are not grounded in any sort of reality. But others are starting to realise that a lot of what Remainers said, at least has some truth, in terms of the complexity and practical problems of leaving.

The EU who previoiusly have been exasperated but accomodating are starting to baton down the hatches and move to a no deal position. The EU summit in November will now no longer include the UK because progress has not been made, although we have been told this is changeable if we have a change of heart. At the summit they will talk about No Deal planning. There has been talk that the final deadline for the UK is 13th December, but there are also some saying this is optimistic and in reality its the middle of November in political terms because this is when EU countries will start committing large amounts of money to No Deal. At this point, it becomes much more difficult for leaders to justify to their own population 'wasting' money on no deal measures.

Back in the UK, the penny is starting to drop. Peston has talked about just how far away we really are from a deal. He's the first main stream journalist to say it outloud. Everyone else is still maintaining we will get a deal, when May just does not have the power in her own party to manage it. She is now reaching out to Labour to help her get a deal as its her only option left open to her now.

May has to get the budget through parliament before the EU summit - on the 1st November - and the DUP are already threatening to vote against it as leverage to get their own way on Brexit.

Tory MP Johnny Mercer is so fed up of it all, that he's come out saying that that he wouldn't vote Tory now, and its all a "complete shit show".

This apparently hasn't gone down too well with other Tories as they feel it means that its more likely to provoke a leadership challenge sooner rather than later. It has been reported that May has been effectively been put on notice and she 72 hours to sort it out. She has been called to a 1922 Committee Meeting on Wednesday to answer to backbenchers.

Up until now, its been thought that the 48 letters wouldn't be sent to Graham Brady because she would win a no confidence vote. Its now being reported that there is a creeping fear that the party would end up with a situation like Labour where they were unable to get rid of Corbyn, and if a leadership challenge was launched they would need to just get rid of her now.

Quick revision:

  1. To trigger a confidence vote 48 letters (15% of Tory MPs) need to be sent to Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 Committee.
  2. There is then a vote, and the leader needs 156 MPs (50.1%) of the vote to win or they face a leadership election.
  3. If there is no confidence vote, another one can't be called for twelve months.

There has been talk of David Davis as an interim leader, which isn't true; its just the start of another round of positioning as Tories smell the blood of a wounded leader. Johnson is also circling and isn't impressed at David Davis seemingly throwing his hat in the ring, despite previously he would just retire.

Triggering a no confidence vote, just before the EU summit around the time of the budget could be just about the worst timing possible if thats the case...

... it would leave British politics in complete chaos and the EU will have effectively run out of time and will have to commit themselves to No Deal anyway.

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 20:47

Chris outwin @coutwin
I have a friend, a GP, who received a letter, (as they all did) from Hancock, saying that [paraphrasing]
"any concerns about stockpiling/possible shortages of medicines must not be expressed to patients. "Investigations" would result".

James Patrick @ j_amesp
Would be a shame if copies of that letter were leaked and GPs immediately were told to read PIDA1998 - S43J in particular.

100% public interest disclosure.

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 20:51

Not really ... much more my DF who can recall the US army liberating his village.

Hmm I was hoping someone had been thinking it, just not saying it. Not quite sure what that says about me. I guess bombs and going on holiday to Bosnia have fucked with my head more than I thought. DH thinks I'm nuts. I don't like not appearing to be nuts

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Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 20:51

I was mentally preparing for a no deal in spring/summer. Started med stockpile September I think. Investigated buying meds online months ago as a back up if dr wouldn't prescribe extra.

Top tip: ME forums are a useful resource for med info and how to obtain meds even going so far as linking to the credibility of websites and the quality of product.
Looked in natural alternatives as reccommended on MN somewhere...preppers topic I think.

As for food thought there's little point stockpiling much til meds were sorted as DP would be dead or unable to eat. And if that happened I wouldn't give a shit about food.

Do need to think about food now and dog food....I hope I win my ladbroke bet because I need extra ££ for this!

Wine
GD12 · 23/10/2018 20:53

The government have spent "hundreds of millions" just in the pharma industry alone moving things to the continent preparing for a no deal. This is disgusting.

twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1054743022116790277?s=19

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 20:54

Of fuck. Here's another one.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/crime-agency-boss-in-stark-warning-over-no-deal-brexit-bss23cjfm
Crime agency boss in stark warning over no‑deal Brexit

Cabinet members met today to discuss a no-deal Brexit as experts warned that leaving the EU will hit Britain’s ability to tackle serious and organised crime and import medicines as well as hurt the scientific community.

Theresa May met her cabinet this morning for a lengthy discussion about the state of Brexit negotiations, along with an update on progress of no-deal planning.

This came as the chief of the National Crime Agency (NCA) warned that the ability of UK police to tackle serious and organised crime could be “significantly impacted” by a no-deal Brexit.

It's fucking Venezuela.

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Mrsr8 · 23/10/2018 20:55

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 20:56

Darren Jones MP @darrenpjones
Remarkable debate on data flows during and post Brexit. Negotiations don’t start until transition. Government unable to say what happens in a no deal. Nothing. 70% of UK data flows go through the EU. They’d just stop?! #BrexitShambles

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 20:58

www.irishnews.com/business/2018/09/18/news/data-flow-is-essential-for-21st-century-business-what-if-brexit-stopped-it--1432548/?param=ds441rif44T
Data flow is essential for 21st century business – what if Brexit stopped it?

This the one that gets me to the EU.

Will DH listen?

Will he fuck.

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Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 20:59

Candles?

We're going to need candles?

I need to up my game. I've gone all in on meds and lotto tickets. (Well enough and rich enough to travel and leave was my plan)

Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 21:01

red tell him a MN classic GIVE YOUR HEAD A WOBBLE if he won't listen.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 21:01

Mark Di Stefano @ markdistef
Few 👀👀 on the Daily Telegraph tonight — reporters and editors have been kept in the dark on the page layout for tomorrow, source says there’s a “special project” to drop.

God this is going to be an anticlimax isn't it, rather than what we suspect it might be It'll be something lame like the Queens Corgi has died.

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Peregrina · 23/10/2018 21:01

I wish to God that the major firms e.g. all the Car manufacturers and pharma firms and a few more I haven't thought about would speak out NOW and say, unless you withdraw A50 we will pull out now, and there are xx million jobs riding on this. This would get the Leavers screaming, about going against the will of the people and blackmail, but it might be the only thing which made the Tory lunatics see sense and might get Labour off the fence.

Ah well, pigs might fly.

woman11017 · 23/10/2018 21:02

RIots?

Nope.
People would report the unpatriots.
Deportation and detention camps will spring up.
Racist, sexist, agist and disablist attacks will go up.
Football, pornography and cakes will continue on screens.
Contingency powers will be triggered.
There'll be a curfew anyway.

English people will keep quiet for an easy life.

Can't think why this island was chosen for this little episode.Wink

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 21:03

Arh yes. This seems on the money. A rival to the Question Time 'Wall of Gammon'

Mr Tim Poole @ mrtimpoole1
My bet is the 50 faces of the stand up for Brexit gang in some sort of weird nationalistic collage

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Mrsr8 · 23/10/2018 21:07

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Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 21:07

Serious question....though it sounds nuts

In theory what's the legality of us going to Kent and paying a fisherman to take us to France? Would the fisherman be human trafficking?

I'm talking back up plan Z

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Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 21:08

mrs aye my first aid kit was sorted months ago. Wind up things for Xmas sounds doable...are they reasonably priced?

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Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 21:09

mrs now I'm jealous. But your nice so I won't hate you for it Wink

GD12 · 23/10/2018 21:10

You won't be able to get there. All ports will be chaotic.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 21:10

James Forsyth @jgforsyth
Lot’s of action at Cabinet today. 1). Geoffrey Cox warning that the backstop is like Dante’s first circle of hell; Lidington warning of a repeat of Black Wednesday-style chaos in the event of no deal; Hunt pushing hard for a UK way to end the backstop
More from Cabinet 2). Javid criticising the handling of the extension to the transition—much to May’s annoyance ; Gove fretting that UK negotiators could agree a deal that Cabinet couldn’t accept, increasing the chances of no deal
Last week’s Cabinet meeting was pretty unified. This week’s one, not so much. Take your pick between Dante's first circle of hell, the backstop, or Black Wednesday redux, no deal
Another of those present says Cox was saying that while the UK wouldn't know when the backstop would end, it would have to end as Article 50 couldn’t settle the future relationship. So, the backstop wouldn't be like Dante’s first circle of hell

t.co/RASUGNQ8NU
Cox to Cabinet: Backstop would be like Dante’s First Circle of Hell

But somehow No Deal is a picnic.

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Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 21:11

Little fishing boat won't need a port....

mrs bargain...I'll even buy the leavers i know one for Xmas Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 23/10/2018 21:13

GD12 So sorry to hear your job is likely to go 💐
That must be a deep worry
Thank goodness you have your mum as backup though

Mrsr8 · 23/10/2018 21:13

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