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Westministenders: A Change of Mood

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2018 17:57

A day after 700,000 people came from all over the country to march on the streets of the Capital to protest and say there needs to be another vote on what next.

Has it changed anything?

Well the mood is changing.

Former leavers are starting to have doubts. Not necessarily about leaving but certainly about how its been handled. Some have ridicilous ideas on how it should be done which are not grounded in any sort of reality. But others are starting to realise that a lot of what Remainers said, at least has some truth, in terms of the complexity and practical problems of leaving.

The EU who previoiusly have been exasperated but accomodating are starting to baton down the hatches and move to a no deal position. The EU summit in November will now no longer include the UK because progress has not been made, although we have been told this is changeable if we have a change of heart. At the summit they will talk about No Deal planning. There has been talk that the final deadline for the UK is 13th December, but there are also some saying this is optimistic and in reality its the middle of November in political terms because this is when EU countries will start committing large amounts of money to No Deal. At this point, it becomes much more difficult for leaders to justify to their own population 'wasting' money on no deal measures.

Back in the UK, the penny is starting to drop. Peston has talked about just how far away we really are from a deal. He's the first main stream journalist to say it outloud. Everyone else is still maintaining we will get a deal, when May just does not have the power in her own party to manage it. She is now reaching out to Labour to help her get a deal as its her only option left open to her now.

May has to get the budget through parliament before the EU summit - on the 1st November - and the DUP are already threatening to vote against it as leverage to get their own way on Brexit.

Tory MP Johnny Mercer is so fed up of it all, that he's come out saying that that he wouldn't vote Tory now, and its all a "complete shit show".

This apparently hasn't gone down too well with other Tories as they feel it means that its more likely to provoke a leadership challenge sooner rather than later. It has been reported that May has been effectively been put on notice and she 72 hours to sort it out. She has been called to a 1922 Committee Meeting on Wednesday to answer to backbenchers.

Up until now, its been thought that the 48 letters wouldn't be sent to Graham Brady because she would win a no confidence vote. Its now being reported that there is a creeping fear that the party would end up with a situation like Labour where they were unable to get rid of Corbyn, and if a leadership challenge was launched they would need to just get rid of her now.

Quick revision:

  1. To trigger a confidence vote 48 letters (15% of Tory MPs) need to be sent to Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 Committee.
  2. There is then a vote, and the leader needs 156 MPs (50.1%) of the vote to win or they face a leadership election.
  3. If there is no confidence vote, another one can't be called for twelve months.

There has been talk of David Davis as an interim leader, which isn't true; its just the start of another round of positioning as Tories smell the blood of a wounded leader. Johnson is also circling and isn't impressed at David Davis seemingly throwing his hat in the ring, despite previously he would just retire.

Triggering a no confidence vote, just before the EU summit around the time of the budget could be just about the worst timing possible if thats the case...

... it would leave British politics in complete chaos and the EU will have effectively run out of time and will have to commit themselves to No Deal anyway.

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Somerville · 23/10/2018 20:14

How can they use their flotilla to ship in medicines and food (and car parts Hmm) when they’re already sending it, loaded with generators, to surround the north of Ireland?!

This is beyond batshit.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 20:15

Anyone been watching A Dangerous Dynasty: The House of Assad?

It points to Assad being way out of depth and trying to promise everything to everyone then regneging at the last minute, then not being able to cope with the crisis of international politics in Iraq and then it just all turning into chaos. It centred on him being generally incompetent, his family being a bit nuts and his wife desperately trying to liberalise and be more western friendly whilst not having a clue about middle Eastern politics. All in all it struck me how easy it was for civil war to come out of that combination.

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1tisILeClerc · 23/10/2018 20:15

Brilliant turnout on Saturday, well done all!

{I'm so fucking glad I'm in Germany !
You are probably relieved to be in France, Misti ?}
A three day break from this madness as some kind soul knocked my phone and internet line down, combined with nice weather and the UK and Brexit hardly featured.

{Oh yes, we don't have the legal powers to requistion the floatilla. And there isn't enough boats on the open market either.}
Why will they need transport if there is no mechanism to buy 'provisions' to put on boats and planes?
All the transport exists, you (someone) needs just to cancel Brexit, even a meercat can manage it.

Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 20:15

GD12 forgot to say, I don't know if it's you or a fam member in need of meds but have a look on Turn2us website to check your claiming everything you can and if there's any grants that your entitled to.

That goes for any lurkers reading, claim all the money you can and all the grants you can.

drinking makes me bossy lol Gin

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 20:16

How are elderly and disabled going to get food if they can't physically queue for hours?

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GD12 · 23/10/2018 20:16

@Hazardswan Not that big and it'd be my husband and 8mo old too! She'll be delighted lol.

GD12 · 23/10/2018 20:17

@Hazardswan It's not me or family that needs meds, thankfully.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 20:19

Do you think breastfeeding rates will go up, during the baby milk shortage?

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Peregrina · 23/10/2018 20:20

Am I reading it right that despite what effectively are war time preparations to bring food and meds in, there are still 50 clowns who want Brexit at all costs now? I suspect on the Leavers threads it will be full on the EU is bullying us. Well, 700,000 know that this isn't true.

Quietrebel · 23/10/2018 20:21

It will be ok for those who can. Infant mortality might certainly go up ☹

woman11017 · 23/10/2018 20:22

How are elderly and disabled going to get food if they can't physically queue for hours
People have been dying on british streets and on hospital trolleys. Nada. Testing the water, one might say.

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whitewave · 23/10/2018 20:23

Time for ration books? I can remember them. This government had better get it’s ass in gear.

Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 20:24

How do you pull off a peaceful coup?

GD12 👍still check your claiming EVERYTHING and see what your entitled to if you sadly lose your job.

Maybe everyone should apply for benefits even if their not entitled just as a sort of UC and brexit protest? Flood the system?

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 23/10/2018 20:25

Oh fuck. I really need to up my stockpiling game. Dh will think I’m nuts. I think we could last maybe two weeks.

I don’t know if I have it in me to turn away friends with hungry kids. Really hope I’m being dramatic Sad
Really awful for those of you with family on medication. So worrying

woman11017 · 23/10/2018 20:26

Infant mortality might certainly go up
All mortality will go up. Run low on antibiotics and .........

There is a flu vaccine shortage now. Denied by NHS.
www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/21/nhs-denies-flu-vaccine-shortage-amid-complaints-over-delays
www.pulsetoday.co.uk/clinical/immunisation/gp-practices-could-miss-out-on-flu-vaccine-payments-for-over-65s-amid-shortage/20037326.article

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 20:26

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/23/matt-the-blank-made-few-friends-when-grilled-over-the-nhs-and-brexit?__twitter_impression=true
Matt the blank makes few friends with genius take on NHS and Brexit

MPs find health secretary’s no-deal contingency plans have more than a few holes

Hancock’s contingency plans clearly hadn’t extended to listening to what any of the senior NHS managers and pharmaceutical manufacturers had just told the committee only minutes earlier, as all of them had predicted utter chaos if the UK left the EU with no deal. Committee chair Sarah Wollaston gently picked him up on some of their more pressing concerns. The country was desperately short of refrigerated storage facilities and it would take at least a year to build the required amount. Which would be at least six months too late.

“Um … er … um,” Hancock mumbled, trying to locate his inner uselessness. We were only 10 minutes in and he was already sounding as incoherent as the prime minister on one of her average days.Perhaps it’s contagious. Um … er … um … it was like this. The experts were basically wrong on how long it took to build a refrigeration unit and besides, if the worst came to the worst, he was going to requisition a load of old fridges that people had taken to the dump.

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Hancock was equally insistent that six weeks of stockpiled medicine was all that was required. But what if supplies weren’t so easily resumed? After all, the UK would have no control over whether EU countries chose to treat us as a third country and refused to recognise the regulatory framework for our medicines.

Easy, declared Hancock confidently. We would either beat the blockade by “The Great Folkestone Airlift” or we would just buy up loads of dodgy drugs off the dark web. Some of them had to be more or less OK. Come to think of it, it wouldn’t hurt for patients to stockpile their own drugs by raiding a few pharmacies. And don’t forget, that if the prescribed medicines weren’t available they could always try something else. A change was as good as a rest.

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On and on it went. There was a plus side to everything. Brexit was just a question of finding the right mindset. If hospitals were to run out of food, then it would be a great way of dealing with the country’s obesity crisis. And there was no need to worry about a shortage of EU nationals working in social care through their failure to meet the minimum income to be allowed into the country, because we would be welcoming people from all over the globe who also wouldn’t be allowed in because they didn’t meet the income threshold.

It was genius of sorts. A new challenger to Chris Grayling for a place in the pantheon of the new idiocracy. A man in search of synaptic connection. Hancock’s NHS. First you Brexit, then you die.

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whitewave · 23/10/2018 20:27

There will be riots if the government doesn’t get a grip.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 20:34

DGRosseti you've seen the scale of this for a while haven't you?

I think Big Choc has been not far behind but I'm surprised that you are this shocked.

Personally I'm kinda weirdly in a place of knowing the potential scale of it, yet not wanting to say it, then seeing it slowly drop out whilst thinking I'm being hysterical whilst hoping I'm hysterical then realising just how loopy it all is, and no it's not me. Then getting stressed cos no one is really taking it seriously, least of all Labour or Tory MPs.

I might go for a lie down.

DH is still not home. Trapped in the Manchester traffic jam of hell, caused by the uncoordinated roadworks in the city which are currently horrendous plus the United match being on. It was so bad José Mourinho ended up walking to the ground in the middle of fans. Somehow this chaos feels like the future.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 23/10/2018 20:36

If there is food shortages then school dinners will be compromised so yes, that means school closure. As will power outtages, if they happen.

Everything you have posted this evening has inspired me to fire off another email to my shit for brains tory mp Red. Thank you. I shall be very interested to see how he manages to spin flotillas of supplies as the will of the people. But he will. If he even bothers to reply.

Mistigri · 23/10/2018 20:38

I have a long record of saying on here, with increasingly desperate optimism, that no deal is not going to happen - but you know - after reading that FT article, if I lived in the UK I'd be fucking terrified.

Grayling in charge of getting your medicine to you on government owned ferries?! Even a 1% chance of that would be too much for me, I'd be booking my very own ferry ticket well before 29/3.

Mrsr8 · 23/10/2018 20:38

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 20:42

Robert Peston @peston
A shocked cabinet was today told no-deal Brexit may force government to own or operate lorry ferries, because freight through Dover and Channel Tunnel could fall 85% and we’d run out of vital goods, food and medicine

David Allen Green @davidallengreen
"shocked"

Paul Pudney @ PPudney
How come i know and they didn't? If this really the case none of them deserve a role in parliament let alone the cabinet. Incompetent doesn't even begin to cover it

Mr Ceebs @ mr_ceebs
if they don't know this when it's their job, surely thats Gross Misconduct and they should be looking out from inside a room with bars for claiming their wages fraudulently

Slip Shodman @slippersunfound
The fact that they were supposedly shocked is the shocking part.

Johnny Brogland @govtandpolitics
"cabinet"

David Cella @ indeox
"government"

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 20:44

Rob Wetherill @ Robwetherill1
The Brexshiteers call in Royal Yacht Britannia designer to request last minute changes.

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DGRossetti · 23/10/2018 20:45

DGRosseti you've seen the scale of this for a while haven't you?

Not really ... much more my DF who can recall the US army liberating his village. These are the times my late DM chided him about "it's different in Britain" and his harumphing and saying that's what they all think.

When the Great Storm of '87 hit, for what seemed an eternity, I though we'd been hit by and A-bomb. That's the mood of the 80s Sad. Not all revivals are good.

Plonkysaurus · 23/10/2018 20:45

My MP is on the list of cunts those standing up 4 brexit. Using the number 4 instead of the word for is the tip of the iceberg in why I can't stand the man.

He's damned if he does and damned if he doesnt, in my opinion. I live in one of the most deprived parts of one of the most deprived parts of the country. Small town ex industrial Derbyshire is fucked even without Brexit. If he "betrays" his local base he'll lose his job (nevermind that he fought a referendum based on betrayal in the first instance). If brexit actually happens then we're all fucked anyway.

The proposed boundary reforms compound his dilemma.