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Westministenders: A Change of Mood

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2018 17:57

A day after 700,000 people came from all over the country to march on the streets of the Capital to protest and say there needs to be another vote on what next.

Has it changed anything?

Well the mood is changing.

Former leavers are starting to have doubts. Not necessarily about leaving but certainly about how its been handled. Some have ridicilous ideas on how it should be done which are not grounded in any sort of reality. But others are starting to realise that a lot of what Remainers said, at least has some truth, in terms of the complexity and practical problems of leaving.

The EU who previoiusly have been exasperated but accomodating are starting to baton down the hatches and move to a no deal position. The EU summit in November will now no longer include the UK because progress has not been made, although we have been told this is changeable if we have a change of heart. At the summit they will talk about No Deal planning. There has been talk that the final deadline for the UK is 13th December, but there are also some saying this is optimistic and in reality its the middle of November in political terms because this is when EU countries will start committing large amounts of money to No Deal. At this point, it becomes much more difficult for leaders to justify to their own population 'wasting' money on no deal measures.

Back in the UK, the penny is starting to drop. Peston has talked about just how far away we really are from a deal. He's the first main stream journalist to say it outloud. Everyone else is still maintaining we will get a deal, when May just does not have the power in her own party to manage it. She is now reaching out to Labour to help her get a deal as its her only option left open to her now.

May has to get the budget through parliament before the EU summit - on the 1st November - and the DUP are already threatening to vote against it as leverage to get their own way on Brexit.

Tory MP Johnny Mercer is so fed up of it all, that he's come out saying that that he wouldn't vote Tory now, and its all a "complete shit show".

This apparently hasn't gone down too well with other Tories as they feel it means that its more likely to provoke a leadership challenge sooner rather than later. It has been reported that May has been effectively been put on notice and she 72 hours to sort it out. She has been called to a 1922 Committee Meeting on Wednesday to answer to backbenchers.

Up until now, its been thought that the 48 letters wouldn't be sent to Graham Brady because she would win a no confidence vote. Its now being reported that there is a creeping fear that the party would end up with a situation like Labour where they were unable to get rid of Corbyn, and if a leadership challenge was launched they would need to just get rid of her now.

Quick revision:

  1. To trigger a confidence vote 48 letters (15% of Tory MPs) need to be sent to Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 Committee.
  2. There is then a vote, and the leader needs 156 MPs (50.1%) of the vote to win or they face a leadership election.
  3. If there is no confidence vote, another one can't be called for twelve months.

There has been talk of David Davis as an interim leader, which isn't true; its just the start of another round of positioning as Tories smell the blood of a wounded leader. Johnson is also circling and isn't impressed at David Davis seemingly throwing his hat in the ring, despite previously he would just retire.

Triggering a no confidence vote, just before the EU summit around the time of the budget could be just about the worst timing possible if thats the case...

... it would leave British politics in complete chaos and the EU will have effectively run out of time and will have to commit themselves to No Deal anyway.

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 21:14

Bog roll.

I bought bog roll. DH discovered my stash. Now I have no extra bog roll. I need lots of bog roll.

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1tisILeClerc · 23/10/2018 21:14

{I wish to God that the major firms e.g. all the Car manufacturers and pharma firms}
I can only imagine that most will already be out of the door anyway. If A50 were to be revoked or whatever I doubt UK gov could bung them enough money to want to stay and it would be against EU rules unless a VERY crafty deal had been done (not much sign of anything crafty).
BMW announcing new production in China in 4 years time (not necessarily to do with Brexit) shows that big business has long term forecasting (obviously) and they can't have been sitting on their hands for over 2 years while the UK gov farts about.

woman11017 · 23/10/2018 21:15

But somehow No Deal is a picnic
Who follows carrying a bucket?

GD12 · 23/10/2018 21:17

@BigChocFrenzy it is a worry. My husband is long term ill and we have an 8 Mo old and a 2 year old mortgage. My job goes and we're done for.

Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 21:19

mrs funnily enough fitting myself into luggage is literally my party trick Grin

Just looking at wind up radios on Amazon...

Wine

Life presents such interesting events doesn't it...

Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 21:21

Have the preppers but an actual concrete list together for us to print off and tick off?

Loo roll was the one none med item I did stock! Can't be without loo roll.

Mrsr8 · 23/10/2018 21:22

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woman11017 · 23/10/2018 21:23

Bupa said to plan Brexit move of European health insurance hub to Dublin
www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/bupa-said-to-plan-brexit-move-of-european-health-insurance-hub-to-dublin-1.3673452?mode=amp

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 21:23

Nope. I suspect many of you are ahead of me on the planning. I have no space to put anything anyway until DH is on board.

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BigChocFrenzy · 23/10/2018 21:29

That cabinet meeting sounds like they had never before realised ther consequences of no deal 😳
Unbelievable irresponsibility

red iirc, we talked about it here at least since the Lancaster House speech.
Surely that was the kind of thing Ivan Richards was telling them before he was forced out

There have been several articles in the serious press

Don't these arrogant fools bother to READ ?
Did they just refuse to read, because it's all "Remoaner defeatism"

If they only read True Beleavers, then Christopher Booker has been banging on about in the Torygraph since at least then
and North on his blog

Misti Anyone who isn't fucking terrified after reading that FT story is either not in the UK or is in total denial

btw, 99% of the public will never read it
I wonder if any of the tabloids will pick it up, so it actually becomes "news"
Or the BBC - or am I fantasising here ?

PineappleSunrise · 23/10/2018 21:30

That NCA story is a bit of a corker, isn't it?

ShinyElena · 23/10/2018 21:31

Harvest festival was easy-peasy. I have so much stuff stashed away, a few tins will not go amiss.
DH is slightly worried by my stock of toilet paper. He thinks I might be losing it.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 23/10/2018 21:32

Or the BBC - or am I fantasising here

Only thing I’ve seen on BBC is “EU rejects debt hit Italy’s budget”

I’m mentally planning where to stash food. Never tried a Fry Bentos pie before I’ll let you know what they taste like next year.

GD12 · 23/10/2018 21:34

Don't forget Pot Noodles everyone!

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woman11017 · 23/10/2018 21:40

Dried and tinned food is stashable, but fresh food keeps you well. Once an illness like flu takes hold we've had it. Underfed people get sick. Without power and the inevitable water shortages it becomes very difficult to keep people clean and well.

Most of our physical strength and resilence is from being such an over fed, housed and heated populace.

This government has as yet, no strategic plans to keep us all safe and alive.

Like people have said, those in Europe look at us and think, 'How can you do this to your children?'

wherearemychickens · 23/10/2018 21:42

This is causing tension in my marriage now. I'm in the 'read everything I can get my hands on; send indignant emails to my MP' camp; my DH is in the 'stick your head in the sand because 'there's nothing you can do about it anyway'' camp. He doesn't mind stockpiling, but out of the two of us, is the internationally employable one and won't consider seriously looking. And I'm stressing him out apparently with my worrying. GAH. I want to be gone now. Not in this country worrying about this.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 21:42

BBC 18mins ago. Second Story

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45955500
Firms urged to use other routes if no-deal Brexit threatens vital drugs

Ferry and freight firms will be urged to plan alternative routes for drugs and other vital supplies if a no-deal Brexit blocks cross-Channel traffic.

The suppliers will be told to use Belgian and Dutch ports if blockages at Calais threaten to delay shipments.

The plan emerged after a Cabinet meeting in which ministers were told of contingencies for a no-deal Brexit.

Earlier, MPs were warned that a no-deal could have "catastrophic" consequences for the supply of drugs into the UK.

A senior government source denied there were plans to buy or charter vessels to keep the NHS working.

Instead, private carriers would be expected to carry out their normal roles, the BBC has been told.

But there are worries among ministers and officials that the sudden introduction of border checks at Calais could cause sudden and serious backlogs.

The BBC's deputy political editor, John Pienaar, said one source described Tuesday's meeting as "passionate".

Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt was said to have expressed concern that the UK must not be trapped indefinitely in the so-called "backstop" customs union arrangement with the EU, which could hamper the UK from striking wider trade deals.

Attorney General Geoffrey Cox compared that status to being trapped in Dante's "first circle of hell".

On Monday, Theresa May told the Commons she too intended any such arrangement to be temporary, and would end "well before" the next election.

Our correspondent says the mood among ministers was more evidence of the prime minister's limited room for manoeuvre in the Brexit talks, as she prepares to address Tory backbenchers on Wednesday.

Cabinet ministers will receive weekly updates until the UK leaves next March about preparations for Brexit, either with or without a deal.

The government has already asked firms to start stockpiling a six-week supply of drugs and if necessary plan to fly in medicines which cannot be stockpiled due to border delays at sea crossings.

The UK imports 37 million packs of medicine each month from the EU.

Concern has been raised that prolonged disruption at the borders could disrupt the supply chain.

Earlier on Tuesday, Martin Sawer, of the Healthcare Distributors Association, told MPs that the pharmaceutical industry was "very concerned" about a no-deal as it could have "catastrophic" consequences for the supply of drugs.

He warned it could lead to patients being put on drugs that they are not currently prescribed.

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BigChocFrenzy · 23/10/2018 21:43

Hazard If that is a serious question, do you have the means to support yourself for at least 3 months in France, or any other E27 country ?

If so, then book one-way flight / ferry tickets NOW for mid-March
and then use them if there is no deal.
Take along plenty of Euros & 5 passport photos of each of you

When you arrive at your destination, REGISTER at the town hall (or whatever it is in that country) immediately for tax, give your temporary address there etc

It is likely that all Brit expats resident in the EU on Brexit Day will be given the right to stay.
However, you will probably need proof of residence, rather than applying after Brexit Day

Think hard about how you would support yourself there for a few months.
If you could.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 21:45

Retweeting Peston

Anna Soubry MP @Anna_Soubry
Where’ve they been for the last 2 years! Next you’ll tell us they haven’t read their own Govt’s impact assessments that show that even the softest Brexit (SM:CU) will make us less well off

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BigChocFrenzy · 23/10/2018 21:49

From that FT article:

In May 1982, the British government requisitioned numerous private vessels, including the transatlantic liner the Queen Elizabeth 2, for use during the Falklands War.

< nowhere near as many as would be needed to feed the UK - that was just to carry & supply about 20,000 personnel >

Government officials say they do not expect to have to use legal powers to requisition ships, although with only five months to go until Brexit on March 29,
there is little time to charter ships on the open market.

Pauline Bastidon, head of European policy at the Freight Transport Association, said:
“We are open to all kinds of ideas about how to keep supplies flowing in a no deal Brexit.

But it’s hard to see where the extra ships would quickly be found.
Nor can I see how other UK ports could possibly handle the huge volumes currently going through the Dover strait.”

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 23/10/2018 21:49

My DH has a hoarding issue. For ages I've been trying to steer him away from hoarding crap into hoarding useful things like foodstuff and bog roll. Never really thought that would pay off for us, sadly I think I may have to apologise to him for being an arse.

woman11017 · 23/10/2018 21:50

Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt was said to have expressed concern
I'll bet he did. Hunt's got his little NHS sell off earner all ready to go on 1.4.19.