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Westministenders: A Change of Mood

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2018 17:57

A day after 700,000 people came from all over the country to march on the streets of the Capital to protest and say there needs to be another vote on what next.

Has it changed anything?

Well the mood is changing.

Former leavers are starting to have doubts. Not necessarily about leaving but certainly about how its been handled. Some have ridicilous ideas on how it should be done which are not grounded in any sort of reality. But others are starting to realise that a lot of what Remainers said, at least has some truth, in terms of the complexity and practical problems of leaving.

The EU who previoiusly have been exasperated but accomodating are starting to baton down the hatches and move to a no deal position. The EU summit in November will now no longer include the UK because progress has not been made, although we have been told this is changeable if we have a change of heart. At the summit they will talk about No Deal planning. There has been talk that the final deadline for the UK is 13th December, but there are also some saying this is optimistic and in reality its the middle of November in political terms because this is when EU countries will start committing large amounts of money to No Deal. At this point, it becomes much more difficult for leaders to justify to their own population 'wasting' money on no deal measures.

Back in the UK, the penny is starting to drop. Peston has talked about just how far away we really are from a deal. He's the first main stream journalist to say it outloud. Everyone else is still maintaining we will get a deal, when May just does not have the power in her own party to manage it. She is now reaching out to Labour to help her get a deal as its her only option left open to her now.

May has to get the budget through parliament before the EU summit - on the 1st November - and the DUP are already threatening to vote against it as leverage to get their own way on Brexit.

Tory MP Johnny Mercer is so fed up of it all, that he's come out saying that that he wouldn't vote Tory now, and its all a "complete shit show".

This apparently hasn't gone down too well with other Tories as they feel it means that its more likely to provoke a leadership challenge sooner rather than later. It has been reported that May has been effectively been put on notice and she 72 hours to sort it out. She has been called to a 1922 Committee Meeting on Wednesday to answer to backbenchers.

Up until now, its been thought that the 48 letters wouldn't be sent to Graham Brady because she would win a no confidence vote. Its now being reported that there is a creeping fear that the party would end up with a situation like Labour where they were unable to get rid of Corbyn, and if a leadership challenge was launched they would need to just get rid of her now.

Quick revision:

  1. To trigger a confidence vote 48 letters (15% of Tory MPs) need to be sent to Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 Committee.
  2. There is then a vote, and the leader needs 156 MPs (50.1%) of the vote to win or they face a leadership election.
  3. If there is no confidence vote, another one can't be called for twelve months.

There has been talk of David Davis as an interim leader, which isn't true; its just the start of another round of positioning as Tories smell the blood of a wounded leader. Johnson is also circling and isn't impressed at David Davis seemingly throwing his hat in the ring, despite previously he would just retire.

Triggering a no confidence vote, just before the EU summit around the time of the budget could be just about the worst timing possible if thats the case...

... it would leave British politics in complete chaos and the EU will have effectively run out of time and will have to commit themselves to No Deal anyway.

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 18:47

Financial Times @FT
UK readies flotilla plan for supplies in no-deal Brexit

www.ft.com/content/f853b544-d6cb-11e8-a854-33d6f82e62f8
UK readies flotilla plan for supplies in no-deal Brexit
Government looks at chartering ships to ferry in critical food and medicines

Britain is drawing up plans to charter ships to bring in emergency food and medicines in the event of a “no-deal” Brexit next March, in a move greeted with disbelief at a stormy meeting of Theresa May’s cabinet on Tuesday.

The cabinet was told that the heavily used Dover-Calais route could quickly become blocked by new customs controls on the French side, forcing Britain to seek alternative ways of bringing in “critical supplies”.

and

David Lidington, Mrs May’s de facto deputy, briefed the cabinet that under a no-deal Brexit, the Dover-Calais route could be running at only 12-25 per cent of its normal capacity for up to six months.

SIX MONTHS of shortages.

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BigChocFrenzy · 23/10/2018 18:49

Adonis's advice is correct, but a civil servant of any rank should have figured that out themself almost from the start

Motheroffourdragons · 23/10/2018 18:50

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 18:51

Dear god.

“We’re talking about bringing in critical supplies like food, medicines, maybe car parts,” said one official briefed on the plan.

They are LOONS.

Utter utter Swivel Eyed Loons.

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 18:55

I explained all the stuff about the a50 government appeal and timing to DH over the weekend and how the likilihood of No Deal is increasing

His jaw dropped.

He's still going, na....it won't happen.

He also complained that I'd got stuff stashed away under the bed and we didn't need that much.

Can't wait to show him these two gems tonight.

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borntobequiet · 23/10/2018 18:55

Completely agree with Loons. Nincompoops and compflunkers (made that up).

Peregrina · 23/10/2018 18:56

I am quite sure that the Government will oppose this and do its damnedest to kill it off. Why bother to consult the will of the people if it doesn't serve the Tory party?

BTW, I do believe that TM really thinks that she is trying to do her best for the country. I think her trouble is that she doesn't realise how narrow her own experience is, and that people don't think the same way as her.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 18:58

Compflunkers

I love this.

We need to make up some insults for government incompetence. I'd love to see them all over twitter!!!

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Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 19:00

-1 in 3 companies are unable to stockpile

The government is planning or trying to plan 6 wks but we know already the larger companies are planning on stocking 3 months at least for insulin... the risk assessments there don't stack up. The businesses are acting more cautiously than the government.

Biggest worry is the cold storage medicines.

Also where the hell is the government money for tendering storage coming from?! They've slashed and cut for years but now they are throwing money away like it's out of fashion.

Ironically they'd of been less votes for leave if they spent this money on services. Instead they made many desperate, angry and blaming immigration.

Drink. Wine

BigChocFrenzy · 23/10/2018 19:05

6 months at 12-25% capacity

and they're still faffing about signing the bloody WA, thinking the EU will blink first 🤦🏻‍♀️

Hallo @TheresaMay - in case MI6 haven't told you ...
I live in Germany and the govt is NOT organising food & meds convoys !

btw, mate: considering the effort and the huge number of ships during WW2 to feed only 40 million instead of 65 million .... I doubt if you'll have space on the ships for bloody car parts

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 19:05

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/man-declares-land-independent-country-king-guernsey-everland-steve-ogier-a8598006.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1540315817
Man denied planning permission takes battle to UN, declaring his land an independent country and himself 'the king'

This looks tempting right now.

And sane.

Such is 2018.

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Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 19:06

Oh and SIX MONTHS OF SHORTAGES!? How is any one meant to prepare for that?

Can there be like a mass sit in outside downing street or something, people will be to exasperated for marching.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 19:07

Well if we are requistioning boats and planes to fly in foods and meds, then I suspect this might scupper a few holiday plans for next year.

Companies will be forced to invoke the Brexit clause.

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 19:08

I love the idea that they think they can manage six months of shortages without there being mass protests and politicians not getting lynched.

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Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 19:09

Grin thinking of leavers ruined holidays really cheers me up red thank you Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 23/10/2018 19:10

The EP is still adamant on a clearly defined NI backstop, without time limit
So, unless the RoI gives in - Math, Somerville could say better, but imo Varadkhar won't give in -
or May - or her successor later - gives in
...
this is what we you in the Uk have to look forward to:
Food convoys !

We knew Brexiters were nostalgic for the 1940 glory days of Plucky Britain against the world ... but this is RIDICULOUS

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 19:10

Financial Times @FT
The London Report: FTSE 100 falls to seven-month low

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woman11017 · 23/10/2018 19:17

I think that in criminal law this would be called 'sustained threat'. On us.

@adampayne26
Mike Thompson says the UK doesn't have enough cold chain (temperature-controlled) warehouses to stockpile the medicine supplies needed for a no deal Brexit

borntobequiet · 23/10/2018 19:17

A second referendum/People’s Vote is nigh.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 19:18

You know how the Tory's kept on saying that under Corbyn we'd end up with Venezeula.

I'm starting to think that's going to be May's version of Cameron's Ed Miliband and the Coalition of Chaos.

Tell me I'm wrong.

And mean it.

Please.

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Mightybanhammer · 23/10/2018 19:19

I will step up my stockpiling:(

On medicines did anyone hear a guy from pharma sounding sinister warnings on r4 today? He was on before 7 I was half asleep but pretty sure it dropped away later on. Or was I dreaming?Confused

Re Andrew Adonis advice re civil servants avoiding Brexit- and highlighting possibility of future judicial inquiry- absolutely- which is I suspect why it is hardly....a ministry of all the talents - though I am sure it is hell and people there are doing their best. Also mirrors JDD 's warnings on the RNorth blog.

JDD has been worryingly silent the last few weeks.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 19:20

I can't wait for the next AIBU thread on Brexit.

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Hazardswan · 23/10/2018 19:23

Does anyone know if the govermentals have dropped the 200 med list and are going for everything yet? Did they finally work out 200 was no where near enough?

GD12 · 23/10/2018 19:25

Anyone else feel totally helpless? There's no way I can stock 6 months worth of food and meds.

Mightybanhammer · 23/10/2018 19:29

Me neither @gd12 - the cat food alone would fill my sitting room
I guess we just have to be sensible and do what we can Sad