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Westministenders: Deadline Day #1

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RedToothBrush · 16/10/2018 22:41

We have hit another Deadline Day.

As it stands, the EU are looking for more progress. May is digging in her heels by suggesting there is new a requirement for backstop to a backstop. The backstop to all intents and purposes is the GFA. So May is saying in effect, that the EU are forcing her to put in provisions to protect an international agreement we are signed up to, and if we breech it we risk peace in NI.

After lots of noise it seems that the Cabinet have decided to stick by May. For now.

The EU look like they are talking as if their meeting next month will exclude the UK and just go straight to No Deal planning.

There is also other talk of alternatives to allow the UK to stay in the customs union. But theres not much to that and it still doesn't solve the ERG and the DUP problem.

May is vastly unestimating how much the ERG and the DUP want to break the GFA. Which is a huge misjudgment.

There is also talk of the final final Deadline Day actually being Dec 13. For various reasons its not. Thats 29th March.

So Wednesday is Deadline Day #1. Expect more.

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lonelyplanetmum · 19/10/2018 15:50

So on this sunny day we learned that some LibDems are as linked as the Tories to Cambridge Analytica. Nick Clegg is also leaving us, whilst he escapes to Facebook HQ.

And now we can expect thick-as-mince-DD as our pick of 66 million people to be our esteemed leader.

Trump will declare himself life president before the day is out.

DGRossetti · 19/10/2018 15:50

(pressed send too soon) ...

the irony is, given it's current trajectory, Facebook might have more in common with the Lib Dems than we thought ...

DGRossetti · 19/10/2018 15:52

www.thenational.scot/news/16994770.david-mundells-flip-flopping-continues-with-new-threat-to-resign/

DAVID Mundell is threatening to resign – as of 12pm, October 19, 2018.

Who knows where we could be in an hour? It seems the Scotland Secretary's position is a flexible one.

You might remember that at the start of the week, alongside Ruth Davidson, Mundell wrote a letter to the Prime Minister with a warning.

In their words, if additional customs controls were introduced between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK, preventing a hard border in Ireland, they'd go.

In reality, what it meant was that they threatened to resign if Scotland got a Brexit deal that was less devastating than it could be.

“Any differentiated deal that puts a hard border down the Irish Sea they consider a resigning matter,” a senior Tory source told the Sunday Times.

"Senior Tory source" definitely ISN'T code for David Mundell and Ruth Davidson, of course...

Naturally then, two days later Mundell was saying he did not threaten to resign.

"I haven't threatened to resign. What I've said is that I regard the integrity of the United Kingdom as absolutely essential in these negotiations."

Clear on that, everyone? He's not flip-flopping, his threatening letter to the PM was just meant to help, and that senior source was totally wrong.

Imagine our surprise today when we saw the Telegraph's front page in Scotland: "Mundell may quit over EU transition."

This time around, he's sending a letter "interpreted as a resignation threat", warning that he won't accept an extension to the Brexit transition period that applies to the Common Fisheries Policy.

The UK will become an independent coastal state in March next year, but a 21-month implementation period means it will not negotiate with the EU as such until December 2020.

An extension to the transition period could take that date even further – but it would be a truly remarkable move if May were to cut out the fisheries policy from the proposals, as Mundell is asking her to.

In his letter, he even cites Scottish Government figures highlighting the risks: "On Brexit day next year we will become a coastal state, but we have now, to our annoyance, agreed to run on the rules of the CFP for an implementation period. That simply cannot be extended, it is not acceptable.

“We are watching the confusion that exists, we are already talking at the highest level, and our views have been made absolutely clear.

“Our biggest defence in all of this is an extremely strong line of irrefutable logic. We will become an independent coastal state with a load of rights and responsibilities and that will mean a very great deal. In the words of a Scottish Government report, £500 million a year, and 5000 jobs, are at stake here. We must get on with capturing that opportunity.”

If this is his idea of standing up for Scotland, it's a truly laughable one.

Taking his actions this week as a whole, it's beautifully short-sighted too – scared of giving yet more ammunition to the independence, he's hopping around, willing to accept a Brexit that would devastate Scotland if it keeps the country in the UK.

It'd be surprising, but this is a man who this week said he'd defend the Union "to his last breath".

DGRossetti · 19/10/2018 15:55

Isn't it amazing how much non-Brexit news you can manufacture find when you dig deep ?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45915418

Amber Rudd has said she would "quite like" to be home secretary again "because there's a few things I'd like to do a bit better than last time".

DGRossetti · 19/10/2018 15:57

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My tips for an easy autumn garden - Sajid Javid
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Havanananana · 19/10/2018 16:04

Some Tory MPs tell me David Davis is being lined up as an interim leader to take the UK through Brexit talks

Can you imagine the exasperated look on Barnier's face Hmm when Davis walks back into the room - assuming that Davis can be arsed this time?

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 16:06

sCrew tHis S-H-I-T-E.

I'm oFf oUt.

Gin
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OlennasWimple · 19/10/2018 16:15

Gin for Red

Gin for the rest of us

Clegg to San Fran, Assange biting the hand that shelters him, and potential revolving doors on the ministerial merry-go-round...

It doesn't get any better, does it?

Anyone got any real, genuine good news to share?

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 19/10/2018 16:29

I thought I'd jump at the chance of a cushy job in SF too, then I remembered Trump. Bugger.

TheElementsSong · 19/10/2018 16:32

I thought I'd jump at the chance of a cushy job in SF too, then I remembered Trump

They don't like Trump in California, especially SF Smile

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 19/10/2018 16:39

They don't like Trump in California, especially SF
That is very true! Ok, maybe I'll take it next time they offer me it in my dreams Grin

DGRossetti · 19/10/2018 17:04

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-17/u-s-is-said-to-stall-u-k-bid-to-stay-in-1-7-trillion-market

A U.K. bid to rejoin a $1.7 trillion public procurement alliance stalled because its application was missing key information, according to a U.S. official familiar with the proceedings.

The U.K. failed to provide requested information and updates related to its proposal to become part of the World Trade Organization’s 46-nation Government Procurement Agreement, said the official, who asked not to be identified because discussions are ongoing. Despite the setback, there was broad support to find a way to keep the U.K. in the accord.

(contd)

LimeJellyforBrains · 19/10/2018 17:09

Threetrees: "more worried about a subversive establishment stitch up tbh"

Oh yes, EXACTLY this!

And that is why I shall be marching tomorrow! 🙂

BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2018 17:56

The ERG and the hard right in the USA have something else in common: opposing gunlaws

Why would a civilian want .50 rifles ?
The police warn they have no body armour or even armoured vehicles to protect them against these military rifles

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/19/tory-rightwingers-seek-to-embarrass-may-over-high-powered-rifles-ban

Hard Brexit Tories will use a Commons vote to try to overturn Home Office plans to ban high-powered military-grade rifles in a show of political defiance aimed at Theresa Mayy^.

Policee* want the .50 calibre or higher weapons – which can immobilise a vehicle or truck from a mile away – banned because they fear a terrorist who got hold of one would be impossible to defend against.

But 35 Tory MPs – many of whom are understood to be members of the European Research Group (ERG) – have decided to back an amendment to block the proposed ban.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2018 17:57

Let's hope the other parties in the HoC are sufficiently responsible to support the ban

DGRossetti · 19/10/2018 18:10

The ERG and the hard right in the USA have something else in common: opposing gunlaws

"Ya'know why there's a second amendment ? It's in case the government forget the first ..."

DGRossetti · 19/10/2018 18:10

Why would a civilian want .50 rifles ?

Protection from .50 rifles ?

pointythings · 19/10/2018 18:17

I'll have Gin tomorrow. Tonight it'll be Wine.

The ERG really want to turn us into a vassal state of the US, guns and all...

Hazardswan · 19/10/2018 18:27

I was skim reading about the ERG and guns earlier... who the hell looks at America and not see a gun problem and then think hmmm let's replicate .

Madness. I thought I was immune to how low they want us to sink but this really got me.

woman11017 · 19/10/2018 18:32

Why would a civilian want .50 rifles
BCF it was only a matter of time. They're blinking Isis, without the leisure wear..

BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2018 18:37

Have a great time, red 🍽 + 🍩

BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2018 18:39

Imagine a .50 rifle - effective range of a mile away - fired repeatedly into a school.
That would be very American

BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2018 18:41

Business answers a Brexiter:

Rt Hon Sir Peter Mannion KCB MP@PeterMannionMP

Just to say, I was in a room full of business people this afternoon when the low wattage Brexiteer Owen Paterson said "Ask any business, they say five words - Just get on with it".
One businessman replied: "'We are fucking shitting ourselves' would be better.* #Brexit #NoDeal*
10:35 PM · Oct 17, 2018 from London, England

prettybird · 19/10/2018 18:49

Re Fluffy Mundell threatening to resign because of his concern over the impact of an extended transition on Scottish fishing....

It represents 0.4% of the Scottish GDP Confused If only he were as concerned about the rest of Scottish GDP Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2018 18:51

Europe Elects@EuropeElects
Germany, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll:

"Brexit: The European Union should make concessions towards the United Kingdom."

Yes: 13%
No: 81%

Field work: 16/10/18 – 18/10/18
Sample size: 1,117

#Brexit #NoDeal #EuropeanUnion

Merkel:
The German federal government is preparing for a disorderly Brexit
She stated this before the E27 heads of govt at the Council meeting

[sorry, German language only]
https://www.welt.de/print/weltkompakt/printt_politik/article182284236/Kanzlerin-stellt-sich-auf-harten-Brexit-ein.html#