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Westministenders: The Slow Reveal

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2018 23:16

The DUP are playing silly buggers.
The EU are getting nervous and turning down the pressure.
The ERG still want Schroedingers Brexit.
The Budget is coming. So is a government defeat or climb down.
The M26 is closing.

Keep thinking of the glorious freedom your blue passport will give up whilst you search waste tips.

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woman11017 · 12/10/2018 12:52

@DannyShawBBC
I’m told staff at Lindholme Prison, S Yorkshire, refusing to work after prison officer was “strangled unconscious” last night. Officers arriving for day shifts at 8am have held a meeting in visits’ centre and have not taken up their posts. I’m awaiting Ministry of Justice call

Buteo · 12/10/2018 13:12

Oh look it’s bury bad news on a (minor) Royal Wedding Day:

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

NEW:

29 no deal notices to be published at 2pm

12/10/2018, 11:22

Whatthefoxgoingon · 12/10/2018 13:15

Bugger. Tuning in for the updates

RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 14:00

steve hawkes @steve_hawkes
Downing Street really is bunkering down
Regular Friday afternoon meeting with Special Advisers cancelled at the last minute today

PoliticalPics @Politicalpics
They've been in bunker mode on pics for a few weeks, seen it so many times in the past, always a sign of not long to go before New blood inside No10, May's time I've never known less activity, no breakfast meetings, party's etc. The most boring 2 yrs.

It could also mean a No Deal announcement is imminent too.

But something brewing...

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RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 14:02

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
Government will try to replicate existing EU free trade deals with Canada, Japan, Korea dozens more in No Deal Brexit, “as far as possible” and “as soon as possible” after Brexit day, otherwise WTO tariffs will apply: Government new No Deal notices

The reality is that the EU Commission has said it will only write the letters to trade partners to ask to treat the UK as if it was still a member for FTAs during transition, if there is a transition, and there’ll only be a transition if there’s a deal.

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Thomasinaa · 12/10/2018 14:07

Oh God, all that optimistic stuff in the news about a deal approaching, and now a no deal announcement?
Why have we been torturing ourselves like this for the past 2 plus years? If I could have the time back - all that time spent following the minutiae of Brexit, in the desperate hope of something good (or less bad than catastrophic) happening.

RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 14:07

www.gov.uk/government/publications/existing-free-trade-agreements-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/existing-free-trade-agreements-if-theres-no-brexit-deal
Guidance
Existing free trade agreements if there’s no Brexit deal

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RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 14:08

Just looking through the list of no deal notices.

There are three that are jumping out at me immediately.

Gas, Electric and Online Geo-Blocking.

off to have a look at content.

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DoctorTwo · 12/10/2018 14:10

You are trying to talk me out of buying a house now, if we do get a offer this week, aren't you?

Nope, I don't see a house price crash, maybe a slight correction. Unless, of course, the BofE raises interest rates to where they should be, around 5%. But they can't do that, it would bring down too many banks and other financial institutions, which would in turn bankrupt other corporations.

But what would I know, I'm no fixed abode...

I recommend Professor Steve Keen on this, his predictions have been pretty accurate so far.

lonelyplanetmum · 12/10/2018 14:19

I looked at the gas one...I think it's another cop out. Isn't it a we still don't know what will happen so companies need to liaise directly and quickly.

A sort of fuck business and utilities but we may help a bit?

"However, interconnector operators should engage with the relevant EU national regulators (in Ireland, the Netherlands, or Belgium) in good time ahead of the UK’s exit from the EU to confirm whether those countries intend to continue using the Capacity Allocation Mechanisms Code as the basis for their trading with the UK and understand any requirements for the reassessment of their access rules. "

"There will be changes to Transmission System Operator certification. The operators of UK interconnectors should engage with the Irish, Dutch or Belgian national regulators to understand whether their existing Irish, Dutch or Belgian Transmission System Operator certification – i.e. their EU law approval – will need to be reassessed and, if so, the process for this reassessment. Ofgem will seek to support interconnectors in this process."
"Interconnector owners/operators: will need to engage with the relevant EU national regulators to understand their processes for the potential reassessment of their Transmission System Operator certifications. Ofgem, and where appropriate, the Utility Regulator, will seek to support the interconnectors in this process."

prettybird · 12/10/2018 14:28

Government finally admitting that in the event of No Deal, things like Eurostar would. Not. Run.

Also electricity in NI could be unable to continue to make use of the all Ireland electricity market - and also implications with continental Europe.

And far from leaving the EU being an opportunity for fishing, there is a real risk that fishermen are going to be adversely affected.

Joy of joys Hmm

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 12/10/2018 14:29

Thomasinaa

If I could have the time back - all that time spent following the minutiae of Brexit, in the desperate hope of something good (or less bad than catastrophic) happening.

This ! So many lost hours, so many sleepless nights, so much being distracted from DCs Sad

RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 14:31

www.gov.uk/government/publications/geo-blocking-of-online-content-if-theres-no-brexit-deal
Geo-blocking of online content if there’s no Brexit deal

How restricting access to online content (geo-blocking) between the UK and EU member states would be regulated if the UK leaves the EU with no deal.

Before 29 March 2019
The Geo-Blocking Regulation will apply from 3rd December 2018. The Geo-Blocking Regulation will prohibit the following activities:

blocking access to, or forced redirection away from, a website on the basis of an internet user’s EU nationality or place of residence within the EU
discrimination by traders on the basis of the customer’s nationality or place of residence when they are purchasing (i) goods online, (ii) electronically supplied services (such as web hosting or cloud storage, but excluding copyrighted material such as ebooks and streamed movies), or (iii) services provided in a specific physical location (such as a theme park)
discrimination by traders against a means of payment solely on the basis of its place of issue within the EU

After March 2019 if there’s no deal
In a ‘no deal’ scenario, the UK version of the Geo-Blocking Regulation will cease to have effect in UK law. The original EU Regulation will continue to apply to UK businesses operating within the EU, and indeed all other non-EU businesses selling goods and services into the single market.

Implications
Following repeal of the Geo-Blocking Regulation in the UK, traders from the UK, EU and third countries would not be prohibited from discriminating between EU customers and UK customers in the respects set out above. For instance a UK trader would be able to offer different terms to a UK customer compared to a French customer.

The Geo-Blocking Regulation will continue to operate in the EU. UK traders who wish to continue operating in the EU will continue to be bound by the provisions of the Geo-Blocking Regulation when dealing with EU customers. This means that a UK trader will not be able to discriminate between customers in different EU member states, for instance between a French and a German customer, in the respects set out above.

So businesses are having to gear up for offering equal services and prices across Europe from the 3rd Dec - including all the costs this is going to involved. But four months later this might no longer apply.

I'm sure there is a LOT in here that isn't terribly good for UK consumers or businesses. Imagine going on holiday to France and paying three times more than anyone else on the site because they are EU citizens.

It links into this on the Consumer Rights note out today.

UK consumers will also no longer be able to use the UK courts effectively to seek redress from EU based traders, and if a UK court does make a judgement, the enforcement of that judgement will be more difficult as we will no longer be part of the EU. In addition, there will no longer be reciprocal obligations on the UK or EU Member States to investigate breaches of consumer laws or take forward enforcement actions.

So if you go on holiday in Europe, if where you go isn't as advertised, you have no consumer rights anymore. If a holiday firm has two couples and a double booking, guess who is going to get screwed over first out of an EU couple and a British couple.

It goes a little further and states if you buy a package holiday from a UK firm that operates in the EU or an EU firm that is targeting UK customers then you will still be protected under the law if it goes bump, however if you buy a package holiday from an EU operator in that operates in the EU you won't. Given how many travel firms are actually EU based, and the above about how you can be discriminated against for being British in terms of price, then EU based firms selling to an EU market (basically selling in euros rather than pounds) then that might start to look very attractive in terms of price, but you would leave yourself wide open to problems.

And heres another one relating to the notice about rail services

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
Reference to cross border Rail services - Eurostar/Eurotunnel under No Deal -: “Passengers using cross-border services are responsible for ensuring that their insurance and ticket terms and conditions are sufficient to cover possible disruption”

Travel to the EU starts to look like a minefield should anything go wrong. The fine print starts to look VERY messy. I suspect even the prudent are going to be at risk of becoming croppers.

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RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 14:34

stuff like this for UK citzs in the EU are a massive deal:

If you currently drive trains into an EU country on a UK licence, you would need a new EU licence and certification documents from the national safety authority of the country you wish to drive into. You should apply for this as soon as possible.

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TheNumberfaker · 12/10/2018 14:35

I just want to fast forward to the point when MPs have to decide what to do when we are staring 'No Deal' in the face.

DarlingNikita · 12/10/2018 14:37

TheNumberfaker, I don't think there will be No Deal. I think all these notices and all the worry about No Deal is being stoked up deliberately to bounce/frighten MPs into voting into whatever shonky deal May presents to them.

RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 14:40

There isn't going to be a deal Thomasinaa. If May looks close to getting one, Brexit Ultras will pull a leadership bid out. They've more or less threatened that this week. Not in so many words, but the problem is that for May to be in any position that the EU will agree to, she has to piss off the Brexit Ultras or the DUP. The DUP have also signalled that if she pulls an Irish sea deal they'll try and withdraw support for her and will demand a new leader or back out of the confidence and supply agreement.

I don't know why the media aren't spelling it out in these terms. Its where we are at.

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RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 14:47

Providing services including those of a qualified professional if there's no Brexit deal

There are implications for all the professions named in this notice as well as businesses.

For EEA professionals (including UK nationals holding EEA qualifications) who are already established and have received a recognition decision in the UK, this recognition decision will not be affected and will remain valid.

EEA professionals (including UK nationals holding EEA qualifications) who have not started an application for a recognition decision in the UK before exit will be subject to future arrangements, which will be published before exit day.

EEA professionals (including UK nationals holding EEA qualifications) who have applied for a recognition decision and are awaiting a decision on exit day will, as far as possible, be able to conclude their applications in line with the provisions of the MRPQ Directive.

Individuals with UK qualifications seeking recognition to offer services in the EEA should check the host state national policies. The EU Commission has stated that decisions on the recognition of UK qualifications in EU countries before exit day are not affected.

Refers to doctors, nurses, dental practitioners, veterinary surgeons, midwives, pharmacists and architects

So potentially less oportunity in the EU for British workers, whilst an additional barrier to recruiting staff for the NHS, as if we needed any more.

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woman11017 · 12/10/2018 14:47

I don't think there will be No Deal
It happens automatically and by default. No announcement is needed. They just carry on wasting time.

I don't know why the media aren't spelling it out in these terms
Because............

RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 14:49

Sky News Breaking @SkyNewsBreak
Government papers say Britons could be barred from accessing their accounts for Netflix, Spotify and other online entertainment while travelling to EU member states in the event of a no-deal Brexit

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RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 14:50

Thats going to be one long expensive flight to Croatia on Ryan Air.

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RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 14:53

Nick Gutteridge @nick_gutteridge
EU budget chief Oettinger says UK would lose its rebate if it votes to Remain in a 2nd referendum: 'If in the improbable but pleasant case that the UK were to remain the gradual exit from the rebate would still be kept. It’s something that’s no longer appropriate.

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RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 15:01

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
So nice, everyone wants Ivanka Trump to be the new United Nations Ambassador. She would be incredible, but I can already hear the chants of Nepotism! We have great people that want the job.

Ivanka.
The next US ambassador to the UK???

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RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 15:05

Jennifer Rankin @JenniferMerode
^Theresa May has been invited to meet EU leaders on Wed, before they have dinner without her to hear Michel Barnier's progress report.
It's a courtesy intended to avoid Salzburg-style accidents.
May has not replied yet.^

Walking on eggs shells so she doesn't have another tantrum.
God its embarrassing.

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DGRossetti · 12/10/2018 15:09

So if you go on holiday in Europe, if where you go isn't as advertised, you have no consumer rights anymore.

So, once again, that 1970s vibe UKIP were so desperate for.

I suggest younger readers ask their elders about how bad package holidays to Spain were in the 70s. Starting with the fact that many tourists hotels were still being built when they stayed.