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Westministenders: The Slow Reveal

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2018 23:16

The DUP are playing silly buggers.
The EU are getting nervous and turning down the pressure.
The ERG still want Schroedingers Brexit.
The Budget is coming. So is a government defeat or climb down.
The M26 is closing.

Keep thinking of the glorious freedom your blue passport will give up whilst you search waste tips.

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woman11017 · 11/10/2018 21:53

@faisalislam
NEW: DUP MP Sammy Wilson tells me in Larne current impasse “may lead to a different leader” for the Conservatives to “heal the wounds” if they want the Confidence & Supply agreement to “stay in place” by going “in a different direction” on Brexit

Conservatives may have to depose prime minister to 'heal wounds' - DUP MP

news.sky.com/story/conservatives-may-have-to-depose-prime-minister-to

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2018 22:53

22 charities gagged with an NDA over universal credit

Westministenders: The Slow Reveal
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Peregrina · 11/10/2018 23:03

Would Universal Credit be like the Poll tax and be enough to bring May down? The Poll tax affected everyone - UC isn't going to affect the people that the Tories care about.

Peregrina · 11/10/2018 23:04

I liked Coast too - East has already gone. Who else?

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2018 23:06

UC affects the people the Tories who are trying to chase the votes of.

Anything atm would tip the balance

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HesterThrale · 11/10/2018 23:14

Local election result:

Labour gains Southlands in Sussex from UKIP.

mobile.twitter.com/britainelects/status/1050508898384445441

jasjas1973 · 11/10/2018 23:17

UC is or will be paid out to many working people, you know the Just About Managing, the people May wants to help, the very folk who will be most damaged by Brexit.

Who needs "Help" like this?

colouringinpro · 11/10/2018 23:25

Red 👍

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Icantreachthepretzels · 11/10/2018 23:55

They should rush the people's vote through whilst Nige is in the jungle. Cults of personality don't work when the personality in question has taken his eye off the ball to go eat kangaroo anus on television.

But it would make a wonderful ending to the saga of brexit for the kids to study in their GCSEs in 30 years time.

Thanks for the new thread Red

BigChocFrenzy · 12/10/2018 00:12

Outrageous that an NDN and taxpayers' money can be used to forbid criticism of a particular govt politician Angry

It's not even like Brexit, where the govt might claim it is preventing the "other side" from gaining exact information about the UK's problems.

Here, the "other side" are the poor sods on UC

BigChocFrenzy · 12/10/2018 01:58

(paywall) Close to deal: May gathers inner circle while Eurosceptics push back on ‘temporary’ customs union plan

The FT should refer to a CU, not the CU (as the latter can only be the EU)
NI to remain in SM
DUP furious - damp squib or GE

Leadsome & McVey may quit - hooray
Gove - and surprisingly - Fox, expected to suck it up & stay

https://www.ft.com/content/30fbcb64-cd73-11e8-9fe5-24ad351828ab

Theresa May briefed her inner cabinet on Thursday evening that a historic Brexit deal is close,
as Downing Street faced a backlash from Tory Eurosceptics who fear it could leave Britain locked in a customs union with the EU for ever.

The British prime minister convened her closest colleagues to discuss the outline of an EU withdrawal treaty that could threaten the survival of her government,
...
Meanwhile, the DUP has threatened to pull the plug on her minority government
because of Britain’s acceptance that Northern Ireland should remain part of the EU’s single market regulatory area under the backstop plan.
...
One official close to the Brexit talks said:
“The prime minister never brings the cabinet together to tell them what’s going on.
That’s not her style.
It feels to me like the deal is practically done.”

Cabinet ministers briefed on the talks said the vexed issue of the Irish backstop

  • the last outstanding issue in negotiations on an exit withdrawal treaty - was close to being settled.

Mrs May has signalled she can accept demands by Brussels that Northern Ireland remain part of the single market during the period of a backstop

  • the treaty guarantee that there would be no return to a physical border in Ireland.

That would mean checks on industrial goods and other products travelling from mainland Britain to Northern Ireland,
although Michel Barnier, EU chief negotiator, insisted these would be minimal.
...
Mr Barnier is set to agree Britain’s demand for the backstop to include references to a customs union to the whole UK,
which would avoid a customs border in the Irish Sea while a more comprehensive UK-EU trade agreement is completed.

Mrs May has accepted that there should be no firm end date to the backstop,
although language will be found to say that it will be a temporary arrangement with “a clear pathway” to a final trade deal, intended to create frictionless trade.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, leader of the pro-Brexit European Research Group, said:
“It is worth remembering that income tax was introduced as a temporary measure.
Without an end date, we could be in the customs union forever.”

Two Eurosceptic cabinet ministers

  • Andrea Leadsom, leader of the Commons, and Esther McVey, work and pensions secretary - are opposed to the plan. Tory officials speculated they could quit.

Neither of the two ministers was invited to the “inner cabinet” convened by Mrs May last night, to their intense frustration.
Ms McVey repeatedly refused to endorse the prime minister’s Brexit strategy in an interview yesterday.

One official close to Eurosceptic cabinet ministers said of Mrs Leadsom and Ms McVey:
“They are going to talk a lot over the weekend and consider what they will live with and what they will walk over.”

Mrs May’s strategy is broadly supported by her inner cabinet, although two prominent Brexiters

  • environment secretary Michael Gove and trade secretary Liam Fox -
expressed concerns at the Downing St meeting over the absence of a firm end date for the backstop.

The inner team also includes chancellor Philip Hammond, foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt and business secretary Greg Clark.

RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 07:52

McVey quitting at a time when UC is flailing when McVey LOVES UC might work for May.

Leadsom meh.

But two more votes against the withdrawal agreement.

May will have to do something to avoid a vote.

BTW who has said we have to have a parliamentary vote on the withdrawal agreement? Could May just use executive powers on that? All the talk has actually been about a parliamentary vote on the final deal, which is a separate entity. Legally could May dodge one with a promise of the other, timing it so force Labour to support it???

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KennDodd · 12/10/2018 07:52

I wonder if the final deal will involve NI staying in the CM & SM with a border down the sea, anybody think Sinn Féin might break cover to get it through? Would they have to swear an oath to the queen before taking seats? I know that wouldn't be the only hurdle for them though.

bellinisurge · 12/10/2018 07:56

They would have to swear an oath to the Queen. That will absolutely never happen.

borntobequiet · 12/10/2018 08:11

Today prog papers round up at approx 06:40 mentioned closure of M26, possible Brexit preparations for lorry park...at 07:40 no mention of this, but a bit about pizza.
Have called BBC complaints (0370 010 0222) and complained, saying that I think BBC has been leaned on, it's a disgrace.

borntobequiet · 12/10/2018 08:12

Oh and thanks for the new thread, Red.

borntobequiet · 12/10/2018 08:13

Perhaps the Queen could don her EU hat, corss her fingers and grit her teeth, and waive the oath of loyalty.

borntobequiet · 12/10/2018 08:14

Cross!

PCPlumsTruncheon · 12/10/2018 08:19

I loved Queenie’s EU hat. That woman definitely has a sense of humour Grin

Whatthefoxgoingon · 12/10/2018 08:39

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the bbc was heavily leaned on.

Peregrina · 12/10/2018 08:47

“It is worth remembering that income tax was introduced as a temporary measure. Without an end date, we could be in the customs union forever.”

And hence its imposition every year in the Finance Bill, which is such basic knowledge that Rees-Mogg ought to know. Maybe he thinks that we plebs won't?

Good riddance to both McVey and Leasdom if they resign. Until Hunt made his stupid remarks comparing the EU to the USSR, I thought he was doing a better job. Fox staying is worrying - it makes me wonder what deal he is stitching up with the USA, which won't be to the UK's advantage. And we won't hear Leavers whining about having no say in making USA food and trade laws - oh no!

A very good speech by Ivan Rogers. I read it last night and am so nerdy, I even took notes.

Peregrina · 12/10/2018 08:51

I too wish that Sinn Fein would take their seats just this once. Grit their teeth and say the oath, and then immediately declare that they don't mean it. Exactly like the ERG are doing with the N I backstop - agree for now and then rip up the agreement as soon as they can.