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Westministenders: The Slow Reveal

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2018 23:16

The DUP are playing silly buggers.
The EU are getting nervous and turning down the pressure.
The ERG still want Schroedingers Brexit.
The Budget is coming. So is a government defeat or climb down.
The M26 is closing.

Keep thinking of the glorious freedom your blue passport will give up whilst you search waste tips.

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MsForestier · 15/10/2018 14:04

It's not looking good for May is it.

Buteo · 15/10/2018 14:04

Wigmore claims British nationality for Companies House documents, but according to Wiki he also claims Belizean nationality.

RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 14:05

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
It’s clever No10 spin to suggest the EU have come up with a 2nd Irish backstop to slap onto the initial one; but the truth is it is still the original one, they just haven’t budged an iota on it. In other words, nothing has changed #BrexitGroundhogDay

Another one saying the second backstop is Great British Bullshit.

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Mrsr8 · 15/10/2018 14:07

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 14:08

PoliticalPic @PoliticalPics 3 minutes ago
May's sudden speech to the house this afternoon and a visit from Tory chairman Brendon Lewis has a whiff of defeat about it.

So not just me, drawing this conclusion then.

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Mrsr8 · 15/10/2018 14:09

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DarlingNikita · 15/10/2018 14:13

Nikita she never looks particularly well. Can't imagine stress is good for Type 1 diabetes either.
No, I totally agree.

Mrsr8 · 15/10/2018 14:14

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bellinisurge · 15/10/2018 14:15

I don't think her having Type 1 diabetes is relevant.

KennDodd · 15/10/2018 14:16

@SusanWalker

I would suggest Andrea Jenkyns read this book.

www.waterstones.com/book/the-sleepwalkers/christopher-clark/9780141027821

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DGRossetti · 15/10/2018 14:19

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Westministenders: The Slow Reveal
RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 14:20

This is more positive from the Torygraph.

Adam Payne @adampayne26
Useful thread from James. He reports Raab's walkout was theatre, not disaster, designed to present May as a fighter until the end. However, fundamental issues remain: theatre only delays concession, and although the language may change, the substance [hated by DUP/ERG] does not.

James Rothwell
‏Verified account @JamesERothwell

Per EU sources, things are not as chaotic as they seem...Dominic Raab walkout was no surprise to EU chiefs and part of No 10 "choreography" to send a message to home audience that May is a staunch defender of UK.^

There was a "good" proposal from Olly Robbins on the backstop but there were two key issues with it and that's why there was no agreement over the weekend.

Problem 1: The EU didn't like UK attempt to drop a future relationship ingredient (all-UK customs union) into the mix of the divorce deal. I understand EU will accept a full UK customs union, but only after the backstop is agreed and signed.

Problem 2: No 10 realised the political climate at home was too hot for a deal that looked like capitulation, so they decided Raab could do a walkout for a bit of political theatre.

I understand a new proposal is being drawn up by UK that shifts the language (but the EU says it can't change the substance).

EU expects that proposal will allow them to declare "significant progress" on backstop later this week, but not a full deal. This will open door to a November summit, where in theory the deal is done.

The EU thinks May is now in the final stretch of a pressure exercise where, as we get closer and closer to no deal, Brexiteer MPs and DUP are forced to "look into the abyss" of no deal chaos.

The belief is that Brexiteers will eventually cave as the alternative is economic Armageddon. Plans to focus on no deal planning at this week's summit will reinforce that dilemma.

In other words, some of the more powerful figures on the EU side believe the DUP is bluffing and might be bought off...

That's not what I'm hearing from DUP side, which is that the backstop is an existential threat to unionism and no amount of money or honeyed words will change that.

Either way, there won't be much action this week. Main job this week is allowing the UK some space to to shift a few inches on backstop, to allow a summit in November. All eyes on May now.

In which case, the speech this afternoon will be a bit of theatre with lots of hard words, but no substance. Again.

But that meeting with Brandon Lewis isn't explained if thats the case. Its more troubling and suggests more doubt than you might think (might she call him in, if she thought the deal with the DUP was done for? or are we talking GE possibilities here?).

Might May put a threat or two back to the DUP this afternoon? The DUP's alternatives are not great.

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Hazardswan · 15/10/2018 14:21

mrs woman after my own heart, love a lemon drizzle. My food shop doesn't come til Wednesday I have no anxiety eats.

I shall keep calm and carry on...with beverages.

RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 14:24

Financial Times @FinancialTimes
Brussels gives UK a 24-hour Brexit deadline to firm up their position after talks break down.

www.ft.com/content/2e407a74-d06a-11e8-a9f2-7574db66bcd5
Brussels gives UK 24-hour Brexit deadline
EU waits to see if Theresa May can muster cabinet support for exit deal

Simon Coveney, Ireland’s deputy prime minister, on Monday voiced the “ frustration” of many countries over what he described as Britain’s decision to in effect “disengage” from the talks before the EU’s 27 remaining member states begin a summit on Wednesday.

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Mrsr8 · 15/10/2018 14:26

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 14:27

Remember how it turned out that the police didn't want to take action on Tory Election expenses for anywhere but North Thanet?

Well

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/tory-mp-who-beat-farage-in-court-over-election-expenses-fiddling/15/10/
Tory MP who beat Farage in court over election expenses fiddling

Today was all the formalities but tomorrow:
A jury panel is expected to be selected and sworn today ahead of the prosecution’s opening of the case at 10am on Tuesday.

Buried.

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DGRossetti · 15/10/2018 14:28

In the same way a hammer has remained unchanged for countless millennia, as it's form is a perfect fit for the role it plays - it simply cannot be improved - so the advice Marry in haste, repent at leisure was written about rushing into politically expedient alliances at the expense of future prosperity and is perfect as it has always been.

When our grandchildren read about Brexit, the DUP will have a place out of all proportion to their constituents.

Banamara · 15/10/2018 14:29

I think this is theatre.

Raab shot off to Brussels to ensure that TM had the first word today. That's all.

At ease.

RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 14:30

James O'Brien @mrjamesob
In the last 24 hours Boris Johnson has argued that the EU has 'ruthlessly' pushed us around and that it's time for us to push back, while David Davis has argued that the EU is cowed and that now is the time to press home our advantage.
They are, of course, on the same side.

If we were doing a lot of theatre, this wouldn't necessarily be a surprising thing!

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2018 14:32

And Channel 4 reports

www.channel4.com/news/by/gary-gibbon/blogs/brexit-is-december-now-the-new-deadline?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Brexit: Is December now the new deadline?

runs screaming
well for an hour

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Peregrina · 15/10/2018 14:34

Daniel Hannan @DanielJHannan
Of all the scare stories propagated by EU supporters, the idea that the UK and Ireland would impose borders after 94 years is the silliest.

Ah yes, he of 'No one's talking of leaving the Single Market' said on Newsnight the day after the Referendum, although we have already had to point this out to one Leaver up thread.

Where are they all? They are getting what they wanted, or are they getting frit that their jobs might be lost?

MyBrexitUnicornDied · 15/10/2018 14:34

^Brussels gives UK 24-hour Brexit deadline
EU waits to see if Theresa May can muster cabinet support for exit deal^

I can’t help but think of Theresa May’s conference speech. I’m sure she said something along the lines of her party had to back her or risk no Brexit at all.

Is there any hope she will go down the no Brexit at all route? I’m being too optimistic again aren’t I.

FridayThirteenth · 15/10/2018 14:35

I don't think my nerves can take this

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