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Westministenders: The Slow Reveal

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RedToothBrush · 10/10/2018 23:16

The DUP are playing silly buggers.
The EU are getting nervous and turning down the pressure.
The ERG still want Schroedingers Brexit.
The Budget is coming. So is a government defeat or climb down.
The M26 is closing.

Keep thinking of the glorious freedom your blue passport will give up whilst you search waste tips.

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DGRossetti · 14/10/2018 18:26

I suspect if anything does happen, it will be May trying to railroad any opposition by getting news of an agreed "deal" and then daring the DUP, cabinet, the ERG, Tories general, and parliament to vote it down.

It's hard not to think of Pulp Fiction ...

"What ?"
"Say what again, motherfucker. I dare you - I double dare you ..."

If that is the case, then I fear she (or whoever is advising her that thinks they know something) is headed for something very nasty ... ffs I'm scared of the DUP. And I'm on a different island, 500 miles away ....

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 14/10/2018 18:34

According to BBC News 24 rolling text a senior government source has played down a suggestion a deal has been done saying ‘it’s very much in the EU’s interests to make it look like there’s a deal’.

Why? Have I missed something? Apologies for the continuous questions. I feel very confused about everything today.

Peregrina · 14/10/2018 18:42

These are all good ideas, and a smart, flexible PM would think about them. But Theresa won't, being plodding, pedestrian and inflexible.

Old Harold Wilson didn't get himself into this mess, and got the result he wanted, but he was known for being a crafty devil. I think you do need to be a bit cunning in politics; this doesn't mean that you have to step over the line into dishonesty. These days all we see is the dishonesty and the blatant lying.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 14/10/2018 18:45

Guardian reporting Davidson and Mundell threatening to resign if NI stays in customs union that excludes the rest of the UK

Ruth Davidson, the highly-regarded pro-European leader of the Scottish Tories, and her ally David Mundell, the Scottish secretary, have told May in writing they will resign their positions if there is a hard border between Northern Ireland and the UK after Brexit

MyCatIsBonkers · 14/10/2018 18:47

From the Guardian:

EU ambassadors told Brexit deal still not yet agreed because of deadlock over whether backstop temporary

Daniel Boffey

EU ambassadors being debriefed by Michel Barnier, the bloc’s chief negotiator, have been told that there is no deal, and that there are serious remaining issues over the Irish border question.

The meeting in Brussels is ongoing.

The Brexit secretary, Dominic Raab, was with Barnier for just over an hour before the briefing.

One senior EU diplomat said that the British did not believe they had enough on the temporary nature of the customs union aspect of the backstop to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland. The UK wants it to be time-limited, but Brussels is resisting.

“Raab had come here for a concession”, the diplomat said. “They don’t have enough.”

The source did not dissuade me from the view that much of this is political theatre designed to help the prime minister sell the backstop at a later date back home.

However a meeting of the leaders’ ‘sherpas’, the officials who are the most senior heads of state and government, that was due to take place on Monday afternoon to sign off on any deal, has now been cancelled. That is ominous.

(Bold added by me)

Peregrina · 14/10/2018 18:48

Erm, NI is part of the UK. If that's what they said, they mean GB.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 14/10/2018 19:13

If you type ‘Is Arlene Foster...’ into Google the second automated suggestion is ‘Is Arlene Foster deputy PM?’

woman11017 · 14/10/2018 19:27

@MarkJohnstonLD
🇪🇺 Retweeted Michel Barnier
Latest ex Brussels:

  • no negotiations tomorrow (Mon)
  • sherpas meeting (memb states) cancelled
  • Raab has returned to London
Peregrina · 14/10/2018 19:29

Not good. Not good at all.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/10/2018 19:32

The "sherpas" are the top civil servants who do the heavy lifting, all ready for their ministers to consider and sign off

Peregrina · 14/10/2018 19:36

I think now, a crash out is inevitable. May might also be told "stand still while we stab you", by her own party. I won't shed any tears for her if that happens. But, but, Johnson, Gove, Fox, Leasdom, Grease-Smug - none of those would want the PMs job now, because it will wreck their reputations too. Well, Leasdom might, because she seems a bit dim.

God knows what will happen.

BackInTime · 14/10/2018 19:42

It is really starting to look rather hopeless Confused

Peregrina · 14/10/2018 20:05

I wonder if it would cause May to resign of her own accord. You know: "Brexit means Brexit and I intend to make a success of it."
Since she can't make a success of it, she might admit defeat?

ClashCityRocker · 14/10/2018 20:08

It's a looking rather ominous indeed.

Hasn't just about everybody said they don't want May's deal?

KennDodd · 14/10/2018 20:09

Can she just resign? What is the process, does somebody have to accept her resignation or can they refuse? What if nobody else wants to take over?

KennDodd · 14/10/2018 20:11

I've always been quite confident that some sort of (shit) deal would be cobbled together but the difficulty would be getting it through parliament.

Hasenstein · 14/10/2018 20:12

Oh, FFS.

Mark Stone

@Stone_SkyNews

EU source close to #Brexit tells me things ‘are back to square one’ on the Irish border issue. Negotiations went on through weekend, good progress at technical (not political) level. Things got tricky when Mr Raab arrived. Political posturing on both sides at play for sure.

So it looks as though the civil servants had been doing their job, then along came the politicians ...

BigChocFrenzy · 14/10/2018 20:35

Mark Stone@StoneSkyNews
8:46 PM · Oct 14, 2018 from Brussels, Belgium

The cancellation of the ‘sherpas’ meeting as consequence of the events today means #Brexit will now not be discussed with such intensity at this week’s EU summit which was to be crucial moment.
It could still be -
@theresamay is due to give a ‘make or break’ speech at the dinner

< oh no, not another one >

Buteo · 14/10/2018 20:39

And also the theory that May will need to go to Brussels to do the final deal - at the last minute to make it look like the UK has been tough with the EU?

MyBrexitUnicornDied · 14/10/2018 20:39

May is going to give a speechShock

How is that a good idea?

Hazardswan · 14/10/2018 20:47

Everytime she speaks the pound drops.

I do feel sorry for her a tiny bit, i'd hate to be her.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/10/2018 20:47

Michel Barnierr@MichelBarnier*
We met today @DominicRaab and UK negotiating team.
Despite intense efforts, some key issues are still open, including the backstop for IE/NI to avoid a hard border. I will debrief the EU27 and @Europarl_EN on the #Brexit negotiations.
7:43 PM · Oct 14, 2018

He's probably telling the E27 heads of govt to prepare for no deal
That's what the November summit will now be about

woman11017 · 14/10/2018 20:53

Steve Bullock is wondering if the November summit will take place.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/10/2018 20:56

Reports are saying that a "negotiator" level deal was agreed,
but that Raab arrived, was briefed, phoned May and they agreed it couldn't be sold to the Cabinet and the Tory Party

Ridiculous and grossly incompetent not to give the UK negotiators a proper remit, as the EU gave Barnier

Most likely, Arlene, Ruth & co all put pressure in May and she caved in again to them.
So the remit changes from day to day, hour to hour
She seems the type who bears the imprint of the last person who sat on her.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/10/2018 20:58

November summit will reportedly be for the E27 only, to sign off the final actions for no deal
So, not discussing with the UK, just preparing to do without it

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