Westministenders: Gin O'Clock

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After disaster after Salzberg and a very predictable humilation over the Chequers Deal which the ERG reject, moderate Brexiteers reject, Remainers reject and the EU reject....

May does a press conference...

...which is delayed by a power shortage inside No. 10.

And....

I know and sympathise with the historical reasons for the separate schools (and dh reminds me ) but I think now they are part of what perpetuates the problem, by "othering" the Catholics and by making it "easy" for people to discriminate even though it's illegal ("which school did you go to?"....and if it's not obvious, "which primary school did you go to?" )

And ironically, where I am now (inner city Glasgow), there are more Catholics at our catchment non-denom school (which has a good reputation) than at the catchment Catholic school (which is full of Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus), which doesn't have a good reputation.

The non-denom school was/is bursting at the seams while the Catholic school was half empty

Just thought I'd clarify that the new minister's title does encompass food and beverages.

www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2018/09/26/New-Defra-minister-appointed

There’s another new thread on AIBU: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3377424-To-wonder-if-a-second-vote-is-possible

farmers can't just sell it all in the Uk, unless consumers suddenly change their eating habits
When there will be a massive shortage of meat, people will change their habits. Not out of choice but because they won’t have the choice.

I see a return to the cooking books of the 1950~1960 telling us how to cook less palatable meats.
Pig trotteurs and tongue anyone?

Pig trotters and tongue anyone?

Why not ? Morrisons sell pig trotters. One of DWs treats is ox tongue.

To paraphrase Morrissey, "Meat is meat" .

www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/world/europe/uk-austerity-child-poverty.html

Teachers, she said, had sometimes found him sifting through trash cans for discarded fruit. “He’d eat his way through whatever we put in front of him.”
During Ms. Collingwood’s 13 years as head teacher at Morecambe Bay Primary, there were always a few hungry children. But two years ago, the staff noticed an increasing number of youngsters returning undernourished after spending school breaks at home.

Nothing new in this article, poverty incl children poverty is real in this country. And the number of ‘working poor’ is high.
But what struck me there is that this is article from the NewYork Times. Their is how other countries are seeing the U.K. A country that can’t feed its own children.
This is the sort of article I would have expected for ‘other’ type of countries, ones that are less developed or doing less well economically. What it says about the U.K. is scary tbh.

I’m wondering what is needed for British people to actually fucking wake up to the situation in their own country (sorry about the swearing btw. I’m just getting annoyed by it all).
Obvioulsy not the new ministry of rationing, pardon food...

{< so no, farmers can't just sell it all in the Uk, unless consumers suddenly change their eating habits >}

As some 'out of touch' French woman might have said, 'let them eat gruel'.
Sorry Mrsr8, you can't have my, quite cute, red squirrel.

But what struck me there is that this is article from the NewYork Times. Their is how other countries are seeing the U.K. A country that can’t feed its own children.

That said, the US isn't best placed to play poverty Top Trumps (no pun intended).

farmers can't just sell it all in the Uk, unless consumers suddenly change their eating habits

Last decent tomatoes DW and I had were grown by DF (not at all conforming to any Italian stereotypes). Everything in supermarkets has been grown for weight over taste.

A lot of people in the UK would die if they had real food. Overwhelmed by taste.

I think even when I was wee, I was aware that it was technically "non-denominational" (as in, supposedly just "broadly Christian") but we did go to the local Church of Scotland school for Christmas and Easter services and we did have a headmaster at my primary school (in Bearsden) who told the American catholic parents of children who were wanting to enrol (having been posted across to Scotland) that "We don't want your sort here"

My parents would have put in an official complaint but he was in the last month before retirement. Not a moment too soon (and the next headmaster was good).

One of the joys of living where we do now is that it is so diverse, so that is overlaying the old sectarianism, making it irrelevant. When Kris Donald was killed (by Pakistani racists who tried to make it look as if it was sectarian), the BNP tried to come into the area to foment discord and got run out of town, led by Kris's mum

I'm sure its diversity is also why we voted 70% Remain

Teachers, she said, had sometimes found him sifting through trash cans for discarded fruit. “He’d eat his way through whatever we put in front of him.

One of the few pluses of this whole coup cabal is that if people like me (in the south east) can't source their fig and horseradish kale chips and quinoa aperitif at least then we will be a step closer to a more equal distribution of wealth.

It is in fact that oxymoron of a fair Tory policy- a decade of austerity has already brought food banks to the UK, if we all have a little bit less at least that makes it fairer.

In tesco yesterday I was really pissed off to see I couldn't buy any loose tomatoes.

You haven't missed much ...

It is in fact that oxymoron of a fair Tory policy- a decade of austerity has already brought food banks to the UK, if we all have a little bit less at least that makes it fairer.

I doubt it will work like that. The people at the bottom will have "more" less than the people at the top.

It occurred to me then how irritating it will be if the choice we are used to is not there.
I don’t want to say but when it comes to food, a quick glance at any French supermarket will tell you we do NOT have any choice at all.
It’s normal there to find 5 different types of tomatoes (nit just packaged in different way, ie loose, in a pack or on the vine)
Each time we go there is lesson for my teens dcs as to what sort of variety there actually is food wise. (Talking about fruit and vegs there mainly but not only)

I looked on a website about rationing earlier. The butter ration was 4 ounces per week. That’s just over 100g.
I use that to make one cake.

He was abducted from just around the corner from ds' primary school (the year before he started there). There is still a plaque up on the bowling club's railings.

The media coverage was atrocious - even when they did eventually cover it, they tried to talk about an area where you barely saw a white face on Albert Drive (the main shopping area) and that it was a no go area Both absolute lies and just lazy journalism by those who wanted to report cliches that fitted with their story line

Sound familiar?

I think there were 3 or 4 varieties of 'loose' tomatoes and 4 'pre packed' at my supermarket yesterday.
I had tongue as a child. It would be boiled in a pan for about 3 hours, or rather more if mum forgot about it!

The people at the bottom will have "more" less than the people at the top.

Yes I agree there will be less at the bottom and more at the top, but who will consititute the top? I think we are headed for feudal times with a very small elite top and then an amorphous blob beneath. The middle class is a fairly recent historical construct after all.

Aha you may say but the working, lower and middle -middle class will rise up together to save themselves? Not so far. Welcome to the little Britain 2018. Stopping foreigners coming here is worth any price, any price at all, even the need for a minister of food supply.

If we wanted to get rid of forriners so much wouldn't it have been sensible you know to market a rebranded New Immigration system first.

We could have had guards on the non EU channel wearing rebranded uniforms ,different difficult forms to fill in in advance, follow up visits by rebranded guards in those rebranded go home vans ,carrying of identity cards for the especially forrin looking ones.Whatever the new system surely it would have been better to try that first before triggering Article 50 and appointing a food supply minister.

Before we flicked the switch without a plan or costings and ditched a very valuable trade agreement that worked .

My parents used to eat tounge every week, I hated it even then.That and semolina.

My Mum also used to slice those tins of ham (not spam) and grill them.