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Westministenders: Gin O'Clock

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RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 14:08

After disaster after Salzberg and a very predictable humilation over the Chequers Deal which the ERG reject, moderate Brexiteers reject, Remainers reject and the EU reject....

May does a press conference...

...which is delayed by a power shortage inside No. 10.

And....

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Mrsr8 · 22/09/2018 21:48

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SwedishEdith · 22/09/2018 21:49

Tim Shipman
@ShippersUnbound

Sorry to do this to you Britain...

BREAKING: At least two of Theresa May’s aides were plotting a snap election in November on Thursday night when Salzburg went pear shaped #DontTellBrenda see the Sunday Times

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2018 21:51

Fuckers.

I'm busy.

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woman11017 · 22/09/2018 21:54

@ShippersUnbound
I personally don’t believe we’ll have an election but it’s hugely significant that some of her team think that is the only way to save her and save Brexit

mathanxiety · 22/09/2018 22:00

www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/world/europe/eu-theresa-may-brexit-salzburg.html

NYT explains TM's game and her miscalculation.

Throughout the process of Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union, or Brexit, Mrs. May has followed a strategy of delaying big decisions until the 11th hour, hoping that her leverage would increase with the likelihood of a disastrous, no-deal “cliff edge” departure.

The problem with that approach, as she learned in Salzburg, is that she does not fully control the calendar...

...In a speech on Friday, Mrs. May seemed to double down on her strategy of dawdling, calling it “simply unacceptable” for the European Union to reject her plans without offering an alternative. “So we now need to hear from the E.U. what the real issues are, what their alternative is, so that we can discuss them. Until we do, we cannot make progress.”...

...Agreeing to a backup plan for solving the Irish border dilemma is a condition of moving ahead. If it can be done, Mrs. May can probably fudge her plans for future trade, compromising on her Chequers proposal but leaving things vague and then negotiating the details in a 20-month “transition period” during which nothing much will change for Britons.

But if Ireland cannot be fixed there will be no “transition period” and a cliff edge departure looms. That could mean trucks marooned in port, stores running out of some kinds of food and some factories deprived of the components that arrive each day from continental Europe.

When Mrs. May and Mr. Varadkar met on Thursday, British news outlets reported, the British prime minister told her Irish counterpart that the latest in a slipping set of deadlines for agreement on Ireland’s backstop — a summit meeting in October — was likely to be missed.

With that, European Union leaders seem to have concluded that Mrs. May was once again trying to delay things, ramping up fears of a no deal, and hoping to force them to soften their stance as Brexit day in March draws closer.

So instead of playing along and saying noncommital things about her Chequers plan, they plotted an ambush, disparaged central parts of it and demanded significant progress on the Irish border at a meeting in October. Without that, a further summit meeting to finalize Brexit, penciled in for November, would be canceled, they said.

For now, the European Union side seems content to sit and watch the fallout from what some see as a cathartic moment in British politics. From the tenor of her remarks on Friday, Mrs. May is sticking to her Chequers plan although it has already prompted two resignations from her cabinet and has been pronounced dead by her critics.

Most experts agree with Mr. Tusk that her plan is unworkable, at least in the short term. Its real use was as a starting point for talks and as a theoretical long-term solution to the border question — a fig leaf that could allow Mrs. May to agree to a backstop plan for Northern Ireland but also suggest it would never be needed.

That convenient fiction has been undermined by Mr. Tusk’s brusque remarks, making it harder for Mrs. May, whose enemies within her own party are sharpening their knives.

mathanxiety · 22/09/2018 22:01

twitter.com/JORISLUIJENDIJK/status/938141337077022721

From a little while back, but I suspect that JDD is correct to think that Nick Timothy still has TM's ear.

SusanWalker · 22/09/2018 22:01

I can't see the point in an election if both main parties are supporting brexit. We waste a load of time for the negotiations to resume pretty much where they were even if Labour get in. The only difference would be if there were a hung parliament then the SNP and/or lib dems could force a people's vote as part of a confidence and supply agreement. But I think a hung parliament is unlikely given current polling.

SwedishEdith · 22/09/2018 22:03

Christ!

'Jeremy Corbyn WILL back second referendum if Labour wants it - and vows to topple Theresa May in November'

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-back-second-referendum-13292683

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2018 22:03

Tim Shipman @ shippersunbound
Two senior No10 people war gamed an election on Thursday night and asked other Tories if they were available to help with the campaign. See Sunday Times

Downing Street says there have been no “meetings” about an election. True. But several political aides think it will have to happen to break the Brexit deadlock. See Sunday Times

Downing Street says there have been no “meetings” about an election. True. But several political aides think it will have to happen to break the Brexit deadlock. See Sunday Times

One of May’s inner circle has been telling cabinet ministers she is likely to quit next year - in a bid to keep them behind her now and stop them resigning

No10 now phoning round May’s aides asking if they were the ones discussing an election. They’re all denying it of course. But Sunday Times has names of two and indications more share that view

No10 now phoning round May’s aides asking if they were the ones discussing an election. They’re all denying it of course. But Sunday Times has names of two and indications more share that view

Members of the ERG believe this election talk is all a plot by Downing Street to scare them into supporting May/Chequers. But this is absolutely not a No10 briefing operation. These were real conversations

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RedToothBrush · 22/09/2018 22:04

Jim pickard @ jepickard
Breaking: A total of 86% of Labour members support a People’s Vote on the outcome of the Brexit negotiations with just 8% remaining opposed, according to a YouGov poll published at the start of the party conference in Liverpool.

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woman11017 · 22/09/2018 22:05

Jeremy Corbyn WILL back second referendum if Labour wants it - and vows to topple Theresa May in November

EXCLUSIVE: The Labour leader plans to side with Tory Brexit rebels including Jacob Rees-Mogg to force a General Election in just a few weeks

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-back-second-referendum-13292683

woman11017 · 22/09/2018 22:05

Shock swedish yikes.

SwedishEdith · 22/09/2018 22:09

Clearly all kicking off tonight.

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2018 22:11

New Right Wing Party to Rival the Tories and Deliver Brexshit?

Looks like complete panic in the ranks.

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SusanWalker · 22/09/2018 22:11

Ok so there might be a point in an election....

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2018 22:12

I swear it's everytime I go out it all kicks off.

I don't get out much.

Except Tuesdays. I'm out Tuesdays.

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MyBrexitUnicornDied · 22/09/2018 22:15

You need to go out more often red

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2018 22:15

More newspapers

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RedToothBrush · 22/09/2018 22:17

Yesterday was 'May's Finest Hour'.

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IrenetheQuaint · 22/09/2018 22:20

I've finally joined Twitter to keep up with all the Brexit news. I'm now glued to my phone 18 hours a day and have ditched the pretence of doing any housework at all GrinShockConfused

woman11017 · 22/09/2018 22:20

@Femi_Sorry
7m7 minutes ago
Barry Gardiner says we're unlikely to get a Vote on the deal via parliament, but we're much more likely to get the country and the EU to agree to the UK staying in "a" customs union where the UK, a non-EU country, would be a co-negotiatior in all the EU's future trade. 😫 #lab18

Mrsr8 · 22/09/2018 22:24

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HPFA · 22/09/2018 22:26

I don't think the Sunday Express had really thought through its headlines.

"Half of Britons suffer from mental illness" Hmmn...

And May calls for "nation to unite". In other words "shut up and accept all the damage".

woman11017 · 22/09/2018 22:28

My head hurts
It's always 10pm on Saturday nights too, when Morecambe and WIse should be on and there's no news on telly for another 20 hours.

@tom_watson
Jeremy and I were elected in 2015 to give the Labour party back to its members. If the people’s party decide they want the people to have a final say on the Brexit deal, we have to respect the view of our members and we will go out and argue for it.

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2018 22:33

Here's the Sunday Times. Summary:

Javid is sounding like a right nasty fucker. Hammond to start a new Tory civil war over FoM. Davis and Johnson to support Canada style Deal. May just stands there doing her best Chemical Ali impression.

And whilst May's aides run about like Beaker and the chickens off the muppet show.

I might be paraphrasing this a little.

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