Not the Brexit Arms again

[Bearbehind]

I'm guessing surfer won't start another thread as the questions were getting a bit difficult on the last one. 😂

Thought this was worthy of discussion though

So it turns out those pesky EU immigrants actually contribute more than the average UK citizen.

Who knew 🤔

I gave examples of things that could be cheaper to buy after we leave

Yet you are unable to explain how that will work in practice, other than you think it should.

Most 'white goods' (washing machines etc) are built within the EU or for the EU market. Turkey actually produces the largest number of washing machines and they are part of a trade deal although not in the EU.Other major manufacturers would be India, China or the USA (probably Mexico).
LED lightbulbs are usually produced in China, but to EU standards.
When you leave a club, you are not 'making a deal' you are leaving. IF the UK wants to participate in anything it will have to dance to the EU tune.

Bearbehind

It’s very tedious you know when you ‘demand’ examples, are given them and then continue to be utterly pointless...

I don’t give a stuff about chlorinated chicken. UK animal welfare standards are higher than the the EUs in many areas. I see no reason why this would not continue.

Therefore if the UK did not strike a free trade deal with the EU, food prices would be likely to rise significantly. This could potentially be ameliorated if the UK reduced tariffs across the board by a substantial margin and/or decided to accept cheaper food imports that do not meet current EU regulatory standards. There would also be costs associated with non-tariff barriers, such as customs checks.

The UK could reduce tariffs from their current level, and may choose to do so, especially for imports of foods that are not domestically produced – for example, oranges and olives. It would also be free to strike free trade deals with other countries. In addition, if the UK ceased to be a full member of the EU single market, it would be able to apply different regulatory standards to food imports, leading to the possibility of importing hitherto banned produce (such as chlorinated chicken). Such changes would serve to lower the price of foods imported from non-EU countries.

www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9562

Here is a clip of someone actually talking this country up.

Clearly remainers won’t like it which is half the fun.

Days to do until Brexit! :)

order-order.com/2018/10/03/cox-rocks-tory-conference/

In your opinion 10

To the rest of us it just proves Leavers haven't thought through the practicalies of their comments and, when challenged, are simply unable to articulate how these things will work in practice.

I'll help you out - they are nothing more than idealistic perceptions - the market won't be flooded with cheap opaque light bulbs.

And...

What exactly is wrong with chlorinated chicken?

Bearbehind

Well we will find out soon won’t we!

What is wrong with chlorinated chicken?

I would rather eat chicken produced on farms where hygiene procedures are sufficient to ensure that the product is safe to eat without the need to disinfect it.

Buteo

You haven’t answered my question really

What is wrong about it?

You see, we get lots of examples of how bad, say, the US are for ‘standards’ but no one ever explains what is so bad about them

10 you're just being a GF now

Nothing in itself, after all we swim in the stuff!

Its about animal welfare, chickens kept in shitty cramped conditions are prone to disease as well as pain and discomfort in their miserable lives, this bacteria needs to be got rid of, so wash it in disinfectant, they use other chemicals too that we don't swim in.

Of course, it might not work, so you get seriously ill.

the fact you even ask this, shows you ve not really thought through anything about brexit.

Bearbehind

Ah - so when you are demanding examples and answers that is ok. But when a leaver does it they are just being tedious or provocative

That is the real truth of these threads - echo chambers for europhiliacs

Jasjas

Thanks for your patronising post

And how many people in the us get seriously ill as a direct result of chlorinated chicken?

Not at all 10

Are you honestly saying you are so stupid you can't see why chicken that needs to be washed in chlorine before it can be consumed by humans is a problem?

10degrees
I wonder why so many Americans are obese? Could it be down to huge quantities of sugar / corn syrup and processed food they eat or hormone injected meat perhaps?
Chlorinating chicken allows birds that have excess quantities of maggots and other ills to be 'cleansed' so they are not still crawling when in the shops.
So as is so often the case with you, try engaging your brain rather than just being a GF.

10degrees even a bit of basic research would tell you that the US has very low poultry welfare standards. Birds are overcrowded and kept with low levels of light and ventilation. This leads to a high level of disease, which is mitigated by chlorine washing.

HTH

And there's the difference between the Leave and Remain argument.

Remainers can actually come up with answers - in fact several of us can help you out with them.

Leave, well, I'm still looking forward to hearing where these cheap vacuum cleaners are coming from?

But you haven’t answered my question

How many in the US have suffered serious ill effects of consuming chlorinated chicken?

You see, it doesn’t really matter but it’s a good example of how something gets bandied around with no real understanding

As to poultry welfare, I think the life of any battery farmed chicken anywhere has to be pretty poor

But - our rule from foreign soil will cease soon, that is the happy fact.

*The US Centre of Disease Control and Prevention reports around 380 deaths in the US each year attributed to foodborne salmonella poisoning. The most recent epidemiological lab data from Public Health England shows no deaths in England and Wales from salmonella between 2005 and 2015. Salmonella food poisoning is most commonly caused by consumption of contaminated food of animal origin, such as beef, chicken, milk, fish or eggs"

Is the USA food production practices/standards something we want in the UK ?

So to recap , some people are miffed that the UK's democratically elected MEP's voted with their European counterparts on the issue of light bulbs, vacumn cleaners etc , thus apparently reducing consumer choice.

The democratically elected UK government chose to increase VAT to 20% and chose not to include sanitary products in its 0% VAT tier, which it easily could have if it had chosen to do so.

In response 26.5% of the UK population decided the above was enough of a reason to leave the EU ?

10 if you're happy to eat something that has had to be sluiced in disinfectant in order to make it fit for consumption that's your call.

Even if no one ever got ill from it, it doesn't make it right.

It's bleaching anything harmful in order to keep hygiene standards at their lowest.

Jasjas

A whole 380 per year you say? Out of a population of 326 million in the US.

Well I’m sold.

If only that were true 10, i d have voted leave too but we are masters of our own destiny, always have been! even T.May admitted that.

And in answer to 10degrees question about food poisoning rates:

...new research by microbiologists from Southampton University, who found that American chlorine washing techniques at the heart of the Brexit trade row does not kill Salmonella and Listeria.

Kath Dalmeny, Sustain chief executive, said its own analysis of official food poisoning data showed that the rate of food poisoning was 10 times higher in the US than in the UK, mainly from Salmonella and Campylobacter in chicken and eggs.

www.poultryworld.net/UK/Articles/2018/6/Reaction-to-chlorine-washing-findings-291966E/