Not the Brexit Arms again

[Bearbehind]

I'm guessing surfer won't start another thread as the questions were getting a bit difficult on the last one. 😂

Thought this was worthy of discussion though

So it turns out those pesky EU immigrants actually contribute more than the average UK citizen.

Who knew 🤔

I just loved how JM kept telling you the referendum result has to be respected.

This is just the epitome of arrogance; insisting something is 'respected' even though it has been proven many times over to be the wrong thing to do and has no tangible benefits.

It's all about image with Leavers isn't it? We won so suck it up.

Although I'm sure most of them won't admit to voting Leave when the economy has gone to rat shit.

My hope was, & still is, that brexit will free up more money to help the most vulnerable in this country.

Seriously surfer, even if you originally thought that, given all the analysis etc that has proven we will be worse off after Brexit, why do you still think that's possible?

Where do you think that money is going to come from?

frump it only has just occured to me as I was typing how minority OTT I must sound in an email. I've just asked the Westminster thread if anyone can could they contact their local MP asking a brexit and disability question.

If everyone gets radio silence...then that's more concerning.

surfer great you care, would love you to do an email though my only goal is to seek reassurance that disabled and sick people are high priority. Thats it. No one governmental will tell me that surfer thats bound to get a carer worried.

Bear, believe me when I tell you I voted leave in the hope we’d have more money to help the poor & vulnerable - I genuinely believed that. If, in 10 years time ( post brexit ) the poor & disabled are still being fucked over there will be no one feeling more sick than me.

Surfer, if you bothered to read the links I provided yesterday about the impact assessments you’d feel sick right now. You’ve been had. Big time.

GhostofFrankGrimes

Sorry I didn’t read them, but I will.

Please do. Brexit is going to make us all poorer.

Exactly ghost

surfer, the information is already out there yet you are still saying you 'hope' there will be more money to help the poor and vulnerable.

Do you really need to witness their further decline with your own eyes in order to accept what is already blindingly obvious now?

What is it going to take to make you see this?

I was reading on FB this morning that UK Bank / credit cards will no longer work abroad as all the required agreements will come to an end. I need to investigate this further.

I think that is scare mongering pyramids

Cards work fine across the world, inside or up of the EU, so there's no reason why that would change.

The Pound took a dive of around 15% at the time of the vote 2 years ago. It has not recovered significantly. Since business, the people that 'create' money have now read through all the implications of leaving those that can leave the country will, and investors from outside (putting money into the UK) have been frightened off to a large extent although if/when the real 'fire sale' begins investment will be put into the UK but on very unfavourable terms like minimum wage jobs as some of the 'influences' by being part of the EU will negated by the Sovereign government being able to slash red tape and race to the bottom. Bear in mind tariffs when trading on WTO rules will put the cost of imports UP and will charge more for any UK exports. Buying in raw materials which we then process and sell out of the UK will be hit twice.

Cards do work worldwide BUT that is because there are agreements between countries. On 29 March those agreements with the EU get torn up.

Maybe leclerc but that won't affect cards working everywhere else in the world unless it's an EU agreement we are part of now, like the flights issue.

If it is true that's massive- although if you can't fly anywhere, you won't need to use your card abroad! 😂

But our cards rely on bilateral banking agreements between third countries and the EU. They work now all over the world because we are in the EU. Once we leave the EU, our banks need fresh contracts. Not saying it can't be done but it isn't automatic.

It is just yet another thing that needs the government to discuss with the various other authorities and come to an agreement.
Hastily rewritten legislation is bound to end badly and there is an absolute mountain of agreements that need to be unpicked and re knitted. The UK hasn't yet got out of the arguing what it wants stage, let alone acting on new agreements.

Remember all the agreements will have to be thoroughly examined by lawyers on both 'sides'.

Watch 3Blokesinapub on YouTube. Can't remember the episode but they cover this.

I would think cards will still be valid, but no longer subject to the EU imposed caps on fees.

And if you have a card issued by one of the EU27 then it will effectively become an international card when used in the UK - so more fees.

How can they be valid if they are not supported by a valid contract? Again, not saying it isn't fixable but it's not automatically ok.

My understanding is there are 2 credit charges charges

• 1 is the old fee that was applied as a percentage of the total simply for paying by credit card as opposed to a debit card.

This was abolished earlier this year under the direction of the EU.

TM claimed it was a government initiative and took the credit for it.

There's no reason why we couldn't continue to enforce this rule but it's a false win anyway as this cost is incurred by the retailers from the banks and is therefore now just wrapped up in the cost of the puschases anyway.

• 2 is a charge for paying in any other currency than the home currency of the issuing bank, so applies to purchases in the EU if your card's base currency was sterling (unless you had a specially selected travel fee free card)

I'm still not clear why card payments would stop unless they are subject to an EU agreement, in which case, the effects of it would be more devastating in the short term than the potential flight disruption so would surely have been on the radar before now.

MasterCard, for instance, is a publicly listed company - it doesn’t need a Treaty or agreement to trade, but to trade in the EU it needs to conform to EU trading regulations.

Since the Government are still spouting crap that was established as a lie years ago I wouldn't put it past them that they either don't know or have swept it under the carpet.
They are still waffling on about 'no deal but we will get a deal' so these details are in 1 of 2 truckloads of agreements that may or may not be needed on 29 March or some other time afterwards. They are all just playing silly games and it would seem not getting on with a proper 'deal'.
Even 'no deal' is still a deal unless the EU simply stops all ships and planes destined for the UK, switches off the electricity interconnector and puts the various Navies on standby to repel all UK attempts at getting to the EU.

It’s possible to ‘respect’ the vote (while ignoring the illegalities of how it was obtained) and bring some remainers onside, without totally destroying the economy and making life even harder for the ‘have nots’ in our society. And that’s by remaining in the EEA and having a trade agreement. Over time further disentanglement from the EU could be managed, if that’s what people still want.

Both the Tory and Labour parties could have (should have) backed this option and still can. To address concerns over freedom of movement they could use the existing powers they never bothered with, such as registering immigrants and deporting people who were not in work after 3 months. Interestingly, despite one of the ‘red lines’ May trots out at every interview she hasn’t begun to implement any of this, more than 2 years after the vote.

Hard Brexit / no deal is about disaster capitalists manipulating an opportunity to deregulate the city and remove workers rights and other EU human rights and environmental protection laws. Nothing else.

They make me sick.

But MasterCard is a brand used by various banks, many of which aren't EU based.

And either way, pyramids posts stated cards wouldn't work 'abroad' i.e. Neither inside nor outside the EU.

I'm not saying it's definitely not true, only I'd like to see some actual evidence.

It’s more likely that MasterCard, which is a US company, will need to adjust its licences.

As will the UK banks that use MasterCard as their payment services provider.