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Westminstenders: Operation Yellowhammer 1q

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2018 11:11

Boris Johnson is clearing the decks for a leadership challenge.

I guess that means that the Brexit we get all depends on what George, Michael and Boris decide over lunch and how good Operation Yellowhammer is.

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woman11017 · 13/09/2018 16:29

Finally what their hearts' desire.

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borntobequiet · 13/09/2018 16:38

I wonder if so many people were renewing passports early to keep the EU maroon ones that the govt retaliated in spite? My DD was planning to do this and probably still will...

DGRossetti · 13/09/2018 16:41

I wonder if so many people were renewing passports early to keep the EU maroon ones that the govt retaliated in spite?

I think someone saw it as a nice little earner. Same way the car tax changes raked in a few more quid.

1tisILeClerc · 13/09/2018 17:08

While France’s lovely Europe Minister Nathalie Loiseau speaks at one level, the 'scallop wars' could take another turn (already heading downward) in that the French, who are not worried by a strike or two can simply implement 'go slows' or complete strikes to 'frustrate' those nasty Brits wanting lorry loads of food or goods. I believe the farmers and police are in the same union.

DGRossetti · 13/09/2018 17:11

the French, who are not worried by a strike or two can simply implement 'go slows' or complete strikes to 'frustrate' those nasty Brits

Ironically, I have memories of being trapped in a sweltering Beauvais airport one Bank Holiday in 1990 because there was an unofficial stoppage by UK air traffic controllers.

prettybird · 13/09/2018 17:12

I've emailed my MP asking what consultation if any the WM Government had done on this change to renewals and the decision to stop adding up to 9 months unexpired validity to the new passport. I've said that this amounts to a de facto increase of 5% given that they are now advising people to ensure that they have a minimum 6 months validity on their passport when they travel to the EU and have also pointed out the extra pressure that this will put on the Passport Office as people leave renewing until they need to.

I couldn't resist adding that I hope I never have to renew my own UK passport, which has 8 years validity left on it Wink

1tisILeClerc · 13/09/2018 17:36

{Ironically, I have memories of being trapped in a sweltering Beauvais airport one Bank Holiday in 1990 because there was an unofficial stoppage by UK air traffic controllers.}
Mere amateurs!

JustAnotherPoster00 · 13/09/2018 17:37

dont know if anyone has linked it but heres the debate on the petition

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2018 17:53

DG, Bellini From the EU Brexit site:
7 Things (E27) businesses need to know

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/factsheet-preparing-withdrawal-brexit-preparedness-web0.pdff_

If the UK's level of personal data protection is essentially equivalent to that of the EU
AND certain other conditions are fulfulled
< e.g. the EU doesn't believe the UK govt are untrustworthy spivs & US poodles >

then
the EU may adopt an adequacy decision to allow data transfer to / from the UK much as at present

See my screenshot and also the detailled Brexit Preparedness Notices for each sector:

https://ec.europa.eu/info/brexit/brexit-preparedness/preparedness-notices_en

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2018 17:58

The differences in content and practical detail between the EU and UK notices are stark
The UK govt should be ashamed
I always refer to the EU site for reliable info, rather than May's meanderings

1tisILeClerc · 13/09/2018 18:15

{ May's meanderings}
Is that the title of her book she will be writing in April 2019 (or before)?

bellinisurge · 13/09/2018 18:16

Ok@BigChocFrenzy . I think the only people to be concerned on this point are UK businesses that trade with EU domestic customers and uk domestic customers of EU businesses where their info crosses the UK /EU border.
I think there are loads of other things higher up the list of things to worry about that will affect more uk citizens and businesses.
I think this one should be sorted relatively quickly.

DGRossetti · 13/09/2018 18:29

I think the only people to be concerned on this point are UK businesses that trade with EU domestic customers and uk domestic customers of EU businesses where their info crosses the UK /EU border.

Car manufacturers and the need for safety recall data, are the first thing that spring to mind ...

1tisILeClerc · 13/09/2018 18:44

This whole caper is taking on the concept of an 'out of body' experience.
We are talking about stuff the Government have thought about but aren't going to implement because we HAVE to have a deal (of some sort).
So where are the real plans?
If these 'dummy' plans have so many holes in them what faith can anyone have for well organised departure in the future, or in the possible case crashing out in March due to incompetence?

bellinisurge · 13/09/2018 18:44

My view is that if this is the only thing that goes wrong it'll be sorted quickly. However, my view is that it will be the least of our concerns and plenty if other things like e.g. food supply will be a problem.

1tisILeClerc · 13/09/2018 18:51

The law and quick are at opposite ends of a spectrum unfortunately.

1tisILeClerc · 13/09/2018 18:52

Except billing for some reason.

frumpety · 13/09/2018 18:57

Sky news, apparently Sports direct have been snubbed by most of the big four auditors whilst seeking a new auditor. Is this a no news story ? Most means not all surely ? And I don't know why but it popped into my head ' I wonder who audited Carrillion and whether they are in the running ?'

RedToothBrush · 13/09/2018 19:01

The data protection issue could be a huge problem for anyone working in tech.

DH's company is currently about to split into three divisions: UK, EU and Europe other as a result of no deal being on the table and it pretty much being too late to do anything else.

Where the problem lies is in him doing sensitive work across borders. How can he actually do it? The company is global and wants to have integrated global systems. But if he is outside the EU he can't handle a huge amount of stuff anyway - unless he literally flies to the EU (provided he has the right visa) to do so.

Yes there are other regional parts to the international parent company but having such a small part of operations in the UK which can't interact freely with the rest of the EU is a huge issue.

The company do a lot of business in the UK, but if DH is more valuable to them internationally bring stationed in the EU that creates a dilemma. And potentially he will be asked to move.

DS is due to start school next Sept so we have time (especially as EU schools start later) but not much. DH has already been asked if he would like to do a sabbatical next year in the EU... Again this is potentially something we could do.

But...

My point being the data stuff FORCES a brain drain on a huge scale. Which I don't think anyone has quite cottoned on to yet.

Including DH. He thinks we have an escape route of things go bad, if we want to go. I suspect it won't be that kind of choice and he'll be travelling in and out of the EU, so much, that in order to have any sort of family life we'll have to move as the bulk of his work will end up based in the EU.

I don't think he's grasped the reality of it yet.

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2018 19:15

bellini Hopefully the food & meds would be sorted pretty quickly after Brexit, as O'Leary stated
Even batshit Tory or Labour politicians should quickly see sense and not risk total anarchy & civil insurrection.
However, those few weeks are just the first danger point

It is what happens in the 5 years following that determines whether the UK just drops down a few places in the G20, or emulates Argentina in its fall from 1st world country to perpetual near-bankrup

The inability to certify our goods, or transfer data is a huge commercial disadvantage,
so don't assume that countries we have pissed off would be above taking advantages of that for a few weeks or months

Enough time for a lot of businesses to relocate from the Uk to the E27
e.g. JLR & Nissan to Slovakia, Airbus wings to Germany (maybe China in the short term) various financial sector firms to Frankfurt, Paris & Dublin, pharma to Amsterdam
tech relocated out of the Uk to everywhere in the E27

We saw how MrsT - with Minford's policies - increased unemployment by 2 million within about 3 years
and they didn't take Britain back to Year Zero, out of every significant trade & transport arrangement we have

I can't even guess at the worst case for jobs and the economy if there is no deal

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2018 19:16

Ah, I see red has just posted on this too.

imo, people seriously underestimate the effect of data protection after Brexit
It's like one of those hidden mines, that suddenly blow a dirty great hole in the ship, below the waterline

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2018 19:20

yes, red schools start at age 6 in Germany, similar to most other countries you might end up in
imo, one reason DC in these other countries score so much higher than the UK on the happiness scales
A sabbatical sounds great !

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woman11017 · 13/09/2018 19:27

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Mark Carney told cabinet today that house prices would plunge 35% in 3 years in a "no deal" scenario, reveals @elliotttimes

RedToothBrush · 13/09/2018 19:33

35%?

Last time he said 25...

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