Westminstenders: Operation Yellowhammer 1q

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Boris Johnson is clearing the decks for a leadership challenge.

I guess that means that the Brexit we get all depends on what George, Michael and Boris decide over lunch and how good Operation Yellowhammer is.

www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-financialcentres/new-york-overtakes-london-as-top-financial-center-brexit-blamed-idUSKCN1LS16I

@DGR
I was toying with the idea of asking you about your thoughts on 'Britain' having not won WW2, as suggested in the '10 myths' printed in the Mail (?) and Guardian the other day. You seem like you would have an interesting take on it.
It is not suitable for this thread as it would be a total derail, and although interesting it is something I don't really NEED to know. Trouble is there is so much STUFF to get interested in, and there is not enough lifetime to pack it all in. Maybe I will make it to a care home with decent internet access eventually.

I was toying with the idea of asking you about your thoughts on 'Britain' having not won WW2, as suggested in the '10 myths' printed in the Mail (?) and Guardian the other day. You seem like you would have an interesting take on it.

Not if it involves handling the Mail (you feel so dirty afterwards).

can't say I caught the piece(s) - will have a dekko when I can.

The subject did remind me of a comment Henning Wehn makes that a lot of people seem to overestimate the financial benefits of losing WW2 ....

I would link to it if I could remember where stuff was!
Ah, found it!
We DIDN'T win the war! Like us all, PETER HITCHENS grew up on stories of Britain’s heroic victory over Hitler... but now, without questioning the bravery of our troops, he’s written a book challenging all we think about WW2.
Since it (on the surface as it was a Mail article) goes into a bit of history I thought it quite interesting. Probably more so since I should have been doing something useful instead!

As with WW1, it took the US to win the war. Once they had entered, the result was a foregone conclusion. Britain's main contribution was preventing a Nazi nuclear bomb being built before the US had theirs (with a lot of British help). Because for all the handwringing over the bombing of Hiroshima/Nagasaki, I am in no doubt that a nuclear toting Nazi regime would have simply hit somewhere populated in the US with a first-strike, before requiring the US to surrender, and allow Nazi control of the government.

(Note to self: Season 3 of The Man In The High Castle is due soon )

Cheers! (as in thank you).

Detailled analysis & demolishment of ERG "plans" for NI border

https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardAENorth/status/1039849301034319872

If you think Britain won WWII on its own and the others were bit part afterthoughts, you are an idiot.

DG Germany would have nuked London & say Manchester or Liverpool , to force a UK surrender
afaik, noone then had an intercontinental missile delivery system, or a system to launch from subs
So, difficult for Germany to reach the US

However, after a Uk surrender, the US would probably not have proceeded further with a war that was unwinnable without the UK floating aircraft & troop carrierr

It was the idea that Hitler didn't want to occupy Britain and that he had no 'equipment' to do it, such as landing craft and so on.

I hasten to add that I and so many others are truly grateful to all who sacrificed themselves for the common good.

@IanDunt
MEPs vote to pursue action against Hungary over Orbán crackdown

@PascalLTH
Guess who's a member of the ECR (indeed they founded the group)? Our very own UK Conservative Party
And how did they vote? Bar three rebels (two absentions and one for), they all voted against the Article 7 motion

Next time someone tries to claim that the Tories are 'moderate' or 'centrist' remind them that today they defended an illiberal regime and sided with UKIP, Sweden Democrats, True Finns, National Rally (formerly FN), Lega, PVV, FPO, AfD, PiS and other hard right populists

Germany would have nuked London & say Manchester or Liverpool ,
No nukes needed, we have our own Nazis now.

DG Germany would have nuked London & say Manchester or Liverpool , to force a UK surrender afaik, noone then had an intercontinental missile delivery system, or a system to launch from subs So, difficult for Germany to reach the US

Difficult - but not impossible ... maybe a launch from an aircraft carrier. It's the sort of extreme high-stakes move that decides world history. Imagine Pittsburgh flattened a la Hiroshima, with a Nazi follow up "want some more ?". The sheer civilian panic alone would have incapacitated the US.

Hitler certainly didn't want a war with Britain. Ideological reasons aside (he regarded the British as fellow - if misguided - Arayan descendants) he was well aware of the power of Empire. My learning about WW2 was that he was hoping Britain would remain neutral (and our serving up of Czechoslovakia may have reinforced that view) and eventually ally with a successful Germany. The latter view quite possibly formed after the Duke of Windsor and other minor royals had a "who can get their tongue the furthest up the Fuhrers arse" competition in the later 1930s.

I have noted several times that the more people bang on about the war, the less it seems they know.

So JRM has come out defending TM and criticising those who say that they want to see her gone....So he's definitely sharpening the knife to stick in her back soon, then?

So JRM has come out defending TM and criticising those who say that they want to see her gone.

Who remembers how Davros tricked the Kaled resistance into revealing themselves ?

Wooferendum campaign is gathering support.

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/12/defras_it_systems_planned_for_brexit_and_not_beyond/

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs isn't ready for a no-deal Brexit, and hasn't ensured new IT systems will be capable of dealing with future demand, the UK's spending watchdog has warned.

(contd)

Mrs May is more of a 'shield' or lightning conductor to attract the 'mess' up until 'B' day then at the last minute someone will push her aside and expose themselves (not now Boris). (Morcambe and Wise ref).

The 'tech note alert' this afternoon talks of 153 EU regulations WRT agriculture for Wales and England that will need sorting out.

Lisa o'carroll
@lisaocarroll

Northern Ireland Retail Consortium is latest to find holes in ERG report. Point out that staying in EU VAT system not possible as it's overseen by ECJ. Also points out WTO rules do not obligate mutual recognition on animal/food checks

More here.

woman Shameful that a British PM ordered her party's MPs to vote to protect the far right regime in Hungary
Shameful that all but 3 MEPs followed orders to help the far right

The UK will probably continue to use Hungary - and possibly Poland - after Brexit, as a stalking horse to disupt EU business
Once the UK no longer has an EU vote to pay back Hungary, this will mean more bungs from the (soon to be poorer) British taxpayer,

Good news:
The EP vote was still against Hungary

Mixed News:
There may be fewer votes to support the far right after June .... because there probably won't be any more British MEPs

Yes bigchoc it is good, although tories voted to support this:

@DerbyChrisW
I'm told 15 Tory MEPs voted against this motion that expressed concerns about the actions of Hungary's Govt, two abstained and another went missing. The motion included concerns about "the rights of persons belonging to minorities, including Roma and Jews"

and labour have done that:
@TracyAnnO
My family were starved and murdered in #WarsawGhetto its their burial ground.@PeoplesMomentum have invited the woman who defaced their graves by spray painting graffitti on the Ghetto wall to come and speak at @UKLabour Momentum conference. Actually - no words.

I always hoped that brexit would be a lesson in why not to be a fascist.
Annoying to be stuck in the island of it but.

Interesting though.

DG OT < sorry folks, but Alternate History is such an interesting topic >

Nazi Germany would have faced the same issue as Russia / China etc do now:
The US is so geographically vast that it would take hundreds of Hiroshima-size nukes to really hammer it down.
1-2 destroyed cities, or more likely a near / far miss, might have just stirred up the US to action, as Pearl Harbour did

Also, after a few years of war, the UK was nearly on its knees, whereas US was booming and far more able to cope.
With a federal stucture, the US is far more decentralised than the UK, which reduces the effects of a decapitation strike

In the early days Germany, like the US, would have only had 3-4 bombs, so they would want a secure delivery system, not an iffy one
and they would want to efficiently end the war, not just make a big show

The UK, even then, could have been effectively beaten by 2-3 bombs dropped by air, or maybe missiles - the V2 may have been the precursor
At least enough for the surviving govt to sue for peace

That would have ended the Western front of the European War - and the US involvement - and let Germany concentrate on the Eastern Front

Hitler hoped early in WW2 that British fascists, including in the aristocracy and royalty, would take over the govt and agree to peace
However, that hope ended once Churchill got firmly into power
Hitler showed no reluctance to slaughter umpteen 1000s in the London Blitz and Coventry etc

• he realised Britain would have to be really hammered by the war before the Uk fascists would have another chance at taking over.

So imo would have taken the easiest opportunity to win the war by knocking out the far more vulnerable UK, rather than the US.