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[surferjet]

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@surferjet I don’t know anyone in RL who gives brexit a 2nd thought given your clear and never under expressed thoughts on Brexit is it possible people just choose not to discuss it with you?

One thing is absolutely guaranteed, things are going to change, (they already have).
The UK has jumped off the high diving board the only questions are how high is it and is there any water at the bottom.

I don’t know anyone in RL who gives brexit a 2nd thought.

I was in a pub last night where a bunch of loud and arrogant twats were giving it 'ra, ra ra' about leaving.

It was pathetic yet sadly representative of Leavers comments like -

'there's no point in discussing trade- we're leaving, that's it.'

Wankers.

I talk about Brexit regularly with many of my close - and not so close - friends and family.

Every single one of them is despairing of the clusterfuck and damage that will be done to the UK and the diminution of its status and relevance in the world.

It's perhaps not surprising, as I live in Scotland, given that we voted strongly Remain . It also means that most of my friends and my family also see an upside in the shenanigans going on in Westminster: that it will bring Scottish independence closer

But people aren’t even talking about it much on here, & mumsnet is very much the home of remainer! Where are all the worried people? This board is kept going by the same 10 people & that’s been the case from day 1.

surfer Try posting a Brexit thread on one of the more popular boards like AIBU and see how quickly it gets bounced off to the relative obscurity of the Brexit board.

lljk either train your cat to be less fussy (I still live in hope of this) or become Mrs Brady Old Lady with a hoard of cat food.

@Surfer
Part of the problem is that news is being suppressed. It is not being discussed on the BBC or the other main media channels. It is all very well saying 'OK you will have to buy a visa to go to Europe', but there is a VAST number of 'little' things which will be affected that are not immediately apparent. House insurance and car insurance. How would you feel about not having those covered on the morning after Brexit? Many insurance companies will be affected, I don't know about all.
Stuff like roaming charges and much of what is put in the press is simply 'fluff' and in the case of roaming charges, a large number will say 'I don't go abroad' so ignore it. A Tenner to get a visa looks 'OK' so not frightening.
I think it was a different thread who had the '3 men in a pub' mentioned. They were talking about shipping of goods into the UK. When you strip out some of the 'banter' it boils down to if customs union changes the sheer practicality of checking somewhere near 8,000 to 10,000 containers a day is simply impossible. The news has mentioned the probability of using the M20 as a 17 mine long 'lorry park'. That is just Dover. Liverpool, Holyhead, Portsmouth, Hull etc will all need similar facilities.

@Surferjet

Happen to agree with you that many people are sick to death of Brexit!

But Governments cannot proceed on that basis, they need to get re-elected and a disastrous brexit will mean the Tories will get the blame.

So, it has to be a success and that is the problem May has!

My cats like mice and rabbits. Voles and moles taste like dirt however so don't get eaten.

I don’t think people believe all the ‘scare stories’ tbh, they just don’t believe them.
Ok they do, but they think it will be short term disruption for long term gain, & they’re happy with that. They don’t believe we’re doomed for a 1000 years.
I haven’t heard anything that has really worried me, nothing at all, & I’m a fairly normal / average person.

Maybe it would help focus the mind to suggest say 5 activities you do in a day and reflect how it will be affected by a hard Brexit.
Even popping down to the shops in a car will bring up a few possible problems. Some may not be a problem initially. For the first few days or even weeks there may not be much that is obvious, it will all depend on how the Government handle things.

Ok they do, but they think it will be short term disruption for long term gain

Yet not one person can describe that 'long term gain' in anything other that sound bites which mean nothing.

Just wait till they announce ref 2. MN will be buzzing

I think my response will be "they've announced it, it's going to happen, just get on with it".

Oh and 'democracy' I will mention democracy in a vague sort of way.

Here's a recent example - in my adult lifetime- Thatcherism had some benefits (sticks in my craw to say it) but the "short term pain" lasted a generation. And, if it was that fabulous, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now which inspired people to vote leave.
So why are we leaving again?

I'm still convinced there won't be a second referendum, TM is just going to u-turn on SM/CU and say it's all that's possible.

Building a consensus is so not her style.

What long term gain was there for staying in the EU? No one knows what will happen to the EU in 10 or 20 years time. Remainers were voting for what they knew, the past & the present. They have no idea what the future holds in or out of the EU.
Remainers are a type of Luddite, frightened of change.
Leavers are forward thinking visionaries.

The Luddite's weren't frightened of change they were pissed off the change was costing them their livelihoods.

Leavers are forward thinking visionaries.

Visionaries can describe their end goal.

Leavers haven't got a fucking clue.

Precisely, @Bearbehind . Not a fucking clue otherwise they'd have said something more useful than sovrin'ee. Which we already have.

Frightened of change?

Kiss my *

If there are med shortages and people die or suffer unnecessarily is that not a reasonable change to fear?

But no not to worry because that's only a 'short term problem' and leavers are okay with short term problems.

Death btw is a long term problem - it obviously needs spelling out.

Oh but I forgot med shortages is 'project fear' to leavers.

When you are inside a 'club' you can influence the rules and the direction it will take. Outside the club you are a rule TAKER, with no say at all.
What seems to have escaped those intent on leaving is that the rest of the world is in their own clubs (The WTO has I think 42 registered 'groupings' of which the EU is just one) and there is no way they will bend rules to allow the UK to 'muscle in' and especially not in ways that will be particularly advantageous to the UK.
When the UK had an Empire, around the time of WW2 or shortly after, it had 'clout'. Now it does not, the world has moved on.

If we have shameful food banks now, is it really going to get better? In weeks? In months? In years?
Of course nobody can say for sure when it's going to get better but repeating the mantra "it's going to get better" doesn't make it so.
Remember the Blair Government and "Things can only get better " ....

Thatcherism had some benefits (sticks in my craw to say it) but the "short term pain" lasted a generation.

Actually, I think her policy of selling off council housing stock is still affecting housing today. And not in a good way.

@twofingerstoEverything - I was trying to be open minded . I think that whole communities got flushed down the toilet. I became a teenager the year she came to power. I saw it with my own eyes.
Fucking everything over and hoping that the strongest survive. Sound familiar?