MNHQ here: results of our Brexit survey - 71% want another referendum

[RowanMumsnet]

Hello

We ran a survey on Mumsnet in August-September; more than 2000 of you took part. We were asking about your thoughts about Brexit and whether there should be a second referendum.

We're releasing the results today, and they show that 71% said they wanted another referendum (although 26% don't).

60% of survey respondents said they felt misled by claims made by campaigners in the 2016 referendum, including 41% who said they felt misled by claims made by the Leave campaign and 18% who said they felt misled by claims made by both Remain and Leave.

Summing up, one respondent said 'I envisaged jobs, travel and opportunity, not having a potato delivered by the army.'

You can read all about it here.

Thanks
MNHQ

How is the EU a 'cage'?
Prove that to me then we can talk. How is leaving a bloc in great part shaped by the UK itself beneficial. Nothing was ever forced on the uk. The Euro? Nope Schengen? Nope. Expansion to the East and immediate FOM for new members?... hang on, that was THE UKs idea!
The UK also had a guarantee from the EU that it was exempt from further integration. Yet it was always 'hog tied'. Right...

10 degrees

As some one else pointed out to you those articles were based on the governments report to ministers. So you have extra special insider info? It you have them surely your the elitist of the elite?

And no I wouldn't call you biased if you linked to the telegraph, i occasionally read the telegraph because I like to get news from different sources. I like the independent because i feel it's a halfway house between a trashy tabloid (my usual read) and a broadsheet.

This isn't about sides anymore or being divided, it's about standing up and demanding this government acts in its people's best interest. If that's leave with a decent and ethical plan then I have no issue, my problem is there is currently no decent plan and it's certainly not ethical.

Quietrebel - I have 17 million (and if I recall 2million more than you) reasons why I don’t have to ‘prove’ anything at all to you as a precondition to a conversation

Hazardswan

Ah yes - the government. Or, more accurately in this case, our ‘impartial’ civil service.

Yes lots of faith there

10Shills - you really need to come up with something to back up your arguments. It's all well and good pretending to be clever by poo-pooing peoples genuine concerns not to mention blatant facts but just saying "it'll all be fine" is hardly convincing, even to your own side!

As for a Quitling complaining of bias - Ha!

"I don’t need to make any arguments - my ‘side’ won the vote"

But none of the arguments used to persuade people to vote leave have turned out to be factual, have they.

You seem to be one of those people who think that democracy started and finished on June 23rd 2016. The arguments can continue for as long as anyone wants, the failure of Brexit supporters to explain the benefits of their vote, or to justify their choices with anything other that "You lost shut up" shows the paucity of their points.

Quietrebel All the things you say maybe true, but was the general public asked over any of those decisions?

Yes you do- or you don't understand that democratic processes make room for opposition. The debate never stops as situations always evolved.
I gave brexit and leavers the benefit of the doubt for a long time. I can't see it leading anywhere good for ordinary people. As one of the ordinary 16 million (+ those residents and expats who have a stake in this but couldn't vote) I have every right to call leavers and the government to account.

Topcat

Touché - none of the remainer facts about Armageddon have come true either... we should look like Venezuela by now according to Hammond

Previous post was in response to 10 degrees.

rosstac
The UK public was involved insofar as the democratically elected government and MEPs were involved in those decisions at the time. It may not be direct democracy but it is democracy. The British people always had representation.
The UK as a state also works as a representative democracy. We don't have a referendum for every law.

Quietrebel

You have an absolute right to challenge - but the stage of grief you and your fellow zealots fail to achieve is acceptance. We are leaving: face facts.

Who knows, maybe in another few decades you will get another go at trying to convince

Well the problem is that Armageddon was never predicted, but several different scenarios of which only the most severe case ever received any attention.

The fact is that all of these predictions were based on Cameron declaring article 50 on day 1 which he said he would do. Once this didn't occur, and the BOE made an intervention, then the predictions would always be inaccuarate.

Having said that they were correct on falling inward and domestic investment, higher inflation, increasing trade deficit, and firms leaving. Economic growth has slowed considerably ( by more than a % point PA) from where it was prior to the vote, which whilst not a recession makes them partially accurate. The only one that hasn't happened in full is an increase in unemployment, which as we all know is the last economic indicator to change.

So to recap:

Growth- slower
Inflation- Higher
Investment - down
BOP- Worse
Unemployment- falling ( slightly)

3.5 isn't bad, much better than none

Quietrebel

Being a member of the eu is not simply ‘another law’ - our political classes did not consult us since decades ago and have accelerated our absorbance into an eu superstate - looking at you Tony Blair.

Topcat

Think of the wonders it would do for economic confidence if folk like you stopped fighting and started moving on with your lives...

We are leaving the eu: get used to it

Remember folks. Don't worry

@10
I hope you aren't using 'Foreign' words.
You may not have noticed but 29 March 2019 hasn't been reached yet, but some of the 'downsides' have already happened and with the likes of your 'hero' Mr Mogg, who for some reason is so confident in the UK that he has put the bulk of his money into Ireland (EU) is suggesting that the UK should expel all those nice EU doctors, nurses, dentists and vets not to mention family members. What a nice man he is(n't).
@Rosstac
You have been on here long enough to know that MEPs vote for any legislation that will affect the UK, and that they carry the concerns of the UK government. If they are unhappy with anything it is debated and a veto negotiated.

Greece in in the EU, how come they are not in the land of milk and honey...
Italy same question..
Things are going to change, our government will have to change things... Adapt to the new world of trade opening up..
Oh and do you think the increase in life expectancy and population of the might have something to do with public spending having to cover 10 million more people...
You can't spend money you don't have.

"Think of the wonders it would do for economic confidence if folk like you stopped fighting and started moving on with your lives."

The economic confidence is based on facts, not people talking on the internet, this is a poor point and not even worth bothering with btw.

If it was pertinent why didn't your side shut up for 41 years after the last referendum?

Leclerc

Ah there it is - if threatened throw in a sly reference intimating that the pig ignorant leaver it racist and doesn’t like ‘foreign words’

And you wonder why you lost the referendum

"We are leaving the eu: get used to it"

Don't have to, can critique, complain, dissent and fight it all I like.

Democracy see.

Topcat

You show your ignorance of economics - stockmarket value at any moment in time is directly linked to ‘chatter’ relating to confidence

By shifting the definition of employment that again is a 'fudge'. Being employed at a fast food joint is not a way to support a home and family although may be acceptable to a MEMBER of a family helping out the main wage earner.

"And you wonder why you lost the referendum"

Hahaha.

Your side was illegal spending, promising everyone everything they ever wanted and had decades of anti EU sentiments in the press, and the 5 of the major newspapers behind it, along with illegal use of data.

You could only win by a slight majority, its why you are scared now and are here posting, it was a one off, you'd never win again.

You can't even describe what life outside the EU will be like and why it will be beneficial anymore, people can see through the spurious bullshit.

Quietrebel The general public has not once been asked to vote on any EU laws inflicted on us since 75, the change from a trading block ( good idea) to what the EU has become was carried out without any say from the U.K. public

Yeah Topcat. Stop talking facts and use your massive influence to get the Brexshit ship moving. You're stopping it from being successful.

It's risible.