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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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DGRossetti · 31/08/2018 10:40

Maybe, DGR - who knows, but the global crash would still have happened and he would still have been blamed, so I think Cameron would have got in regardless.

Ah, what ifs.

I think there was a lot of good old British "give a chap a chance" when he became PM. Because it does seem hard to judge someone with no track record. It's a little like getting a new boss - you'll cut them a bit of slack. At the same time, I don't give a flying fuck about the intricacies or subtleties of the British Constitution. Swapping PMs without an election is a little bit of a cheat, and risks - as Brown found out - the country feeling somehow hoodwinked.

If he had immediately - or with decent planning - called a GE, it's highly likely he could have been returned with his own majority (I would have happily voted for him/Labour then - I didn't in 2010). That would have put the election out till 2012 ?

May made exactly the same mistake. If she'd called a GE in 2016, she would probably have got her majority.

The exception that proves this rule is Major - because he had a little bit longer to make his name. And as history shows ... he was actually one of the better prime minsters we remember.

MangoSplit · 31/08/2018 10:56

Place marking

ScrambledSmeggs · 31/08/2018 11:16

Place marking Brew

colouringinpro · 31/08/2018 11:59

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1tisILeClerc · 31/08/2018 12:05

JM, if only for his eggs and peas.
It feels like we are actually living a real life 'Spitting Image' sketch.

lonelyplanetmum · 31/08/2018 12:39

Still lagging behind with news due to the last days of school holidays so this was probably posted before.The BBC definitely has shifted its position from, for example, the earlier two pro EU marches it failed to cover...

"Brexit poses an "immediate risk to the provision of safe and effective care" for patients in the UK, according to the Royal College of Nursing."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45333267

1tisILeClerc · 31/08/2018 12:51

Maybe it's run out of stories of kittens being stuck up trees?

lonelyplanetmum · 31/08/2018 13:05

Another odd thing I noticed is that the Downing Street website seems to be more proactive over the Africa trip.

Yet other non EU visits including those in 2017 to Bahrain,Iraq and repeat visits to Saudi and Jordan were covered by the press but were less prominent on the Downing street site.

Is the Africa visit
more prominent? If so, is it because the Windrush racism allegations have happened in the interim?

1tisILeClerc · 31/08/2018 13:12

They are demonstrating how good the government is at getting some good deals. Great publicity and nice photo opportunities.
The downside is that the deals announced look great But in reality are worth next to bugger all, not wishing to be unkind to the African countries in any way but their economies mean that at present and until their infrastructure is well up to speed, probably aided vastly by the Chinese that 'we' won't see anything significant for many years.
We are leaving a bloc with a GDP of (IIRC) 240 Billion for one of 4 Billion. Please excuse and correct these numbers as necessary.

DGRossetti · 31/08/2018 13:20

Is the Africa visit more prominent? If so, is it because the Windrush racism allegations have happened in the interim?

It's hard to avoid the thought that the sort of people that advise Theresa May are the sort of people who think Britain should be worshipped in Africa because of the Empire (i.e. morons).

It's also obvious that the Kenyan civil servants absolutely did a number on May. And I hope there is a very happy Kenyan Sir Humphrey who won a lot with I bet we can make her dance twice

I was hoping they'd pull the same trick as she left on the airstrip ... a line of schoolkids all dancing, and a flustered British aide being told "it is a custom to wish our esteemed partners good fortune to invite them to dance as they leave, so they always have happy memories. Refusal would be a grave insult ..."

"Er, but the last visiting dignitary didn't have to dance ?"

"Ah, but this is a valued honour ... to show how much we appreciate the connections we have with Britain ..."

1tisILeClerc · 31/08/2018 13:21

@DGR, NEWS (from BBC website), the EU are toying with the idea of scrapping daylight saving clock changes.
Plenty of scope for your wit here!
First off, the EU countries are thinking of staying on 'summertime'.
As the UK will be 'out' before it gets decided perhaps the UK will go back to 1950?

1tisILeClerc · 31/08/2018 13:22

Wasn't 'Puppet on a string' by Sandie Shaw one of our Eurovision 'wins'?

1tisILeClerc · 31/08/2018 13:24

{"Er, but the last visiting dignitary didn't have to dance ?"

"Ah, but this is a valued honour ... to show how much we appreciate the connections we have with Britain ..."}
The bit from a Clint Eastward film where one makes the other 'dance' by firing at the ground near them might be applicable?

DGRossetti · 31/08/2018 13:27

@DGR, NEWS (from BBC website), the EU are toying with the idea of scrapping daylight saving clock changes.

Just when I thought I was out ...

Personally, this is the sort of frippery that the EU should not be pissing around with. DST is by definition a geographical adjustment to celestial mechanics. There's no one-size-fits-all. Even in the UK we can't quite agree on what it should be - if anything at all.

There are thousands of positive, sensible, practical EU initiatives the BBC could have reported on. Why choose this one ? As a headline ffs ? Unless they saw another opportunity to help the struggling Brexiteer ?

Prove me wrong.

DGRossetti · 31/08/2018 13:28

Wasn't 'Puppet on a string' by Sandie Shaw one of our Eurovision 'wins'?

The internet is listening ...

Icantreachthepretzels · 31/08/2018 13:34

NEWS (from BBC website), the EU are toying with the idea of scrapping daylight saving clock changes

My mother often reminisces about the time we attempted to scrap day lights savings time - and just how awful the winter mornings were - and just how many children got killed on their way to school because it was still so dark. ( I don't know when this happened - but she's adamant that it did.)

Whatever happens with regards to brexit - that is one change that we should allow them to just get on with and quietly do our own thing. They'll only change back again within a couple of years, if previous experience is anything to go on.

clocks go forward and back for a good reason - it wasn't invented for the sheer hell of it. Sometimes people in the present have a tendency to forget that not everyone in the past was completely clueless - occasionally they knew what they were doing and why.

RedToothBrush · 31/08/2018 13:42

Barnier, Macron and Merkel, should troll May, by playing music next time they see her and say that it's a cultural thing to build relations.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 31/08/2018 13:48

I just checked - 1968-71 was when they tried to scrap daylight savings time. There was an increase in deaths in the morning and a decrease of 2500 deaths in the evening over the first two winters. However - this was a time when 1000 people a day were killed or injured on the roads - so 2500 in 2 winters is actually nothing. Plus it coincided with the introduction of drink driving legislation. They downgraded the success rate for the evenings in 1989 because of these factors.

ScrambledSmeggs · 31/08/2018 13:54

We can all relax, Sweaty Rabb says the details of our withdrawal agreement are becoming 'clearer and clearer'. Aye, as clear as mud Hmm

1tisILeClerc · 31/08/2018 14:05

I think the advent of streetlights and the fact that little darlings HAVE to be driven anywhere have shifted the argument a bit. Anyway it gives the EU something to do in the time slot they have allocated to Brexit as they wait for the UK to come up with a plan. They could be playing Tetris or tiddlywinks.

Hazardswan · 31/08/2018 14:12

Place marking Gin

Still not heard back from any of my emails Hmm

Motheroffourdragons · 31/08/2018 14:43

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IrenetheQuaint · 31/08/2018 14:46

Yes, my father was a young man in 1968-71 and says that getting up every day and leaving the house in the pitch dark was horrible, everyone hated it.

Icantreachthepretzels · 31/08/2018 14:54

Yeah - even really good street lights don't make up for the loss of natural light when you wake up. It might not make too huge a difference in Southern European countries - but for us more northern ones (though not so northern it's pitch black 24/7) it's an awful awful thought.

Tanith · 31/08/2018 16:18

I’ve never really understood why you can’t simply have a different timetable in Summer and Winter, if that’s what you want to do, rather than playing Let’s Pretend with the clocks.

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