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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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woman11017 · 04/09/2018 15:01

prettybird Flowers to you and your Aberdonian student boy!

woman11017 · 04/09/2018 15:03

Was she really Israeli ? Or a Nazi ? Or perhaps they used the same accountant
Why would you even write some thing like that?
Extraordinary.

1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 15:03

@DGR, it was a good 20 or more years ago.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 15:04

Ian Dunt @IanDunt
Telling that Tory HQ now feels the need to respond to each demand for the People's Vote

Gosh, I must have missed that. Getting past stage 1 I mean.

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1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 15:08

It was the delusion of anyone being 'special' and 'worth' more than another that struck and bothered me.

1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 15:11

Still taking control of laws, borders and money mantra,,,stuff we already had.

DGRossetti · 04/09/2018 15:11

@woman11017

Why would you even write some thing like that?

Because I recognised it immediately as a quote from the Nazis about how they equated non-Arayan lives with German lives. I think it was something like 10 slavs for one German ?

When the oppressed start to dress in the clothes of their oppressors ...

I guess my problem is reading too much history.

@1tisILeClerc

I can only reply to the here and now ...

woman11017 · 04/09/2018 15:20

I see.

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 04/09/2018 15:29

Hazardswan I know how the tariff system works (I’m presuming you’re talking about an unlicensed medicine here), but what I don’t see is how medicines (licensed or otherwise) will be available privately and not to the NHS. The NHS can and does buy off-contract to secure supplies.

I’d like to be wrong. I’d like to think DH could rock up with a private prescription for his meds that are made in the EU. We could probably afford the £50 per week. But I can’t see how they would be made available for a private prescription and not to the NHS.

SusanWalker · 04/09/2018 15:39

If we get a mention on the remainiacs podcast my week will be a tiny bit brighter.

Disclaimer I have no life.

prettybird · 04/09/2018 15:40

Thanks woman11017

Given the discussions we have had on here about lack of knowledge of history, I'm impressed that he has opted to study 20th Century History as one of his options. That will be a good complement to his Politics and International Relations (his intention is to do International Relations, but 1st year the course is the same) Smile. He's also doing Philosophy (one element of philosophy - might do the other element next semester - decided to do the history option instead initially) and Economics - so effectively a sort of PPE.

His history option is going to be a baptism of fire, given that he's not studied history since S2 (Y9) Shock

woman11017 · 04/09/2018 15:41

BigChoc big thanks to you for your post at 11.38. I agree with it all.
Look David Lammy! Smile

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woman11017 · 04/09/2018 15:44

He's been to a Glaswegian school prettybird he'll do brilliantly. Grin
Remainiacs is getting better and better, I love it SusanWalker even tempted to go and see them record live in London soon.

Hazardswan · 04/09/2018 15:46

wise Nope I wish it were that simple. Non-formulary or formulary is different from licensed or non licensed. Something can be licensed but non form.

If your DH is currently getting his meds on the NHS, fab, that either means they are formulary or you have won the postcode lottery and your practise will prescribe from the non-formulary list. It's entirely subjective to indivdual practises whether or not they prescribe non-form medications.

At a later date if the NHS moves his medications to the non-form list (due to cost) they will still be available privately.

Tanith · 04/09/2018 15:56

There's a Labour party Brexit survey going round at the moment:

www.polling.org.uk/the_truth_about_brexit?utm_campaign=3_09_18_brexit_survey&utm_medium=email&utm_source=labourfuture

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 15:57

But I can’t see how they would be made available for a private prescription and not to the NHS.

To use an example of an anecdote, which I've heard repeated in various similar forms from friends who have been 'well placed' and I trust and I've experienced myself first hand.

A company supplied a non-clinical product to the NHS.

When they first made the contract the item was £5 per unit. During the next five years the cost of making and supplying the product reduced to 50p per unit.

But when the contract came up for renewal, the NHS just renewed it without review or putting it out to a new tender, because cuts have stripped back the procurement department that heavily.

Obviously the company couldn't believe their luck as they were fully prepared to do a new proposal and renegotiate the contract at the current market rate. They just said thank you very much with a big grin on their faces.

Anotther similar story I've heard have involved the NHS paying for laptops at say £1000 a throw, when the exact same spec you could pick up at any old PC World show room (without mass discount) for £200.

It would not surprise me in the slightest to hear the same when it came to drug procurement. The whole area is a complete disaster area, cutting back on cost on things whether quality over cost is preferable and then just randomly giving away millions in other areas without any decent explaination.

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Hazardswan · 04/09/2018 16:54

Thanks Tanith completed the survey.

prettybird · 04/09/2018 16:57

Talk about loaded questions from Labour in that survey Hmm

And very carefully, no questions about what you think the Labour position should be and whether you think Corbyn is doing/would do a good job Hmm

...and no "Go Back" option. My cursor jumped (as it has a tendency to do Hmm) and clicked on "Male" and I couldn't correct it - but never mind, I'm sure they've already decided what outcome they want from the survey Hmm

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 17:00

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/peter-geoghegan-jenna-corderoy/liam-fox-spends-tens-of-millions-on-firms-warning-of-bre
Liam Fox spends tens of millions on firms warning of Brexit dangers

The international trade secretary says even a no-deal Brexit would be good for British business. But his department has spent huge sums with companies that warn of Brexit dysfunction, chaos and disruption.

Firms that have won lucrative contracts from DIT have said that British politics is “so dysfunctional” that the government’s current Brexit strategy is “very unlikely” to survive “in its current form”. A DIT-funded trade body even complained that the Brexit trade ministry is “plagued” by indecision, with lateness “systemic in the organisation”.

Fox has also given thousands of pounds of public money to a company run by a former Westminster insider, and hired a scandal-hit contractor that had been accused of making excessive profits from aid contracts.

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Talkstotrees · 04/09/2018 17:09

And, re the survey, one question was something along the lines of Will Chequers proposal make the EU more or less likely to give us a good deal - no option for it won’t make a blind bit of difference as the EU has clearly defined rules and therefore won’t make stuff up on the spot to suit soon to be 3rd party countries who have decided to leave.

Hazardswan · 04/09/2018 17:12

YY^^ pretty and talk I thought the survey was almost naive.

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 04/09/2018 17:19

Hazardswan Oh right I’m with you now. You have an entirely different problem. Sad

No postcode lottery for this one, thank goodness, but it’s manufactured in Germany. The API is made in India though, so that may not be so bad if the UK manufacturer of a similar product was able to increase capacity.

This whole thing is outrageous. SadAngry

Thomasinaa · 04/09/2018 17:20

From the survey: If a new party promising to deliver the Brexit outcome that you want is formed, are you more or less likely to vote for it than you were before it was formed?