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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 04/09/2018 13:15

I'm pretty sure it was linked in these threads as well - I remember posting about my answers to it. DGRossetti and bigchoc must just have been busy that week Smile

Respondants

Thank you! I started out with 'replicants' ... but that's something from Blade Runner - and then I got stuck.

As for the 'I envisaged ... potato delivered by the army' respondant ... I have no words. Or sympathy. There was NO PLAN they voted for NO PLAN they just spun the roulette wheel to see what would happen. You got army delivering a potato. Tough frigging tit.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 04/09/2018 13:26

I missed the survey too, but I've missed a lot of things recently so it's par for the course Blush

If anyone wants to know how things are going, Ken Livingston is trending on twitter.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 13:27

Well I didn't do the survey either!

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1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 13:29

It is probably too late, the UK has wet the bed and now serious big business is leaving and won't return. Some will sidle out quietly but the rot has started.
The choice is now 'bad' or REALLY BAD.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 13:31

Well if lots of regulars here didn't do the survey and it still came out with that result...

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SwedishEdith · 04/09/2018 13:42

I didn't see the survey and I've been here for 100s of years. But I have Active set up so I don't see stickies.

1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 13:45

Even at a basic and superficial level, if you have a bad experience with your local supermarket you will tend to go to another if one is available.
With Mr Johnson's 'F business' as a stated aim, followed up by 2 years of governmental pratting about no one in their right mind, with a choice, would want to stay in the UK if they want to continue doing business in one of the worlds biggest trading blocks with 'preferential' access to most of the rest of the world.

Icantreachthepretzels · 04/09/2018 14:05

I think it's really good that so many regulars here missed the survey - it means we didn't skew the results too highly. It would have been worthless if it had just been a westminsterenders echo chamber ... as it is, it shows people who aren't engaging here still agree with us. It gives the complainers less of a leg to stand on.

1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 14:13

The next generation of UK 'car' workers after the current manufacturers have moved on to the next models will be minimum wage sweeping up around the robots, if they bother manufacturing here at all.

borntobequiet · 04/09/2018 14:14

Today prog why oh why do I turn it on had an interview with Paul Drechsler chairman of London First re Chequers proposals. He said that the thing with Chequers was the it was "the only plan in town" and at least a starting point...interview approx 1hr 15 min in. But the wider point was that any business with the resources to do so, had already put contingency plans for no deal/hard Brexit in place and would be acting on them. Concern was for those without resources/with heads in sand.
www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/b0bgp7x4

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 04/09/2018 14:16

Anyone wondering why things would be available privately not on the NHS, NHS has contracts with specfic suppliers also they may move more meds to the non-formulary list

I’m still wondering why/how things would be available privately and not in the NHS. The NHS has contracts with literally hundreds of suppliers.

Hazardswan · 04/09/2018 14:28

wise It's happened with one of DP's meds, it costs the NHS over £1000 due to their supplier we get it privately and it's a couple hundred a month. Our pharmacist gets it from the cheapest legimate source, as to why the NHS doesn't do that is due to contracts.

When things move to a formulary or non-formulary lists that means the meds are still approved and available but when it's non-formulary the GP doesn't have to prescribe it they can just say no.

1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 14:31

Medical supplies are about 2 things, regulation and transport. If regulation 'fails' then no one will be allowed to administer them. If it is transport (no flights etc) then again it is all meds no matter who the recipient might be. It is not a matter of NHS against private although private might ramp up charges and hope to make a quick buck on whatever is available.

frankiestein401 · 04/09/2018 14:32

@woman11017 - i said there are valid concerns, as expressed by the home affairs committee - everyone is allowed to disagree with that and the article.
Discussion of this has been crowded out by the focus on corbyn - it should have been about getting an agreed definition.

Yes there are palestinian groups advocating the obliteration of Israel, israel has obliterated any hope for a palestinian state. These are obscene extremes from both sides - but somewhere between 5 and 10 Palestinians die for every israeli death, that is also obscene.

1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 14:33

And whatever @Hazard said!

1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 14:37

A young Israeli woman was doing a 'vox pop' years ago after an Israeli army guy had been killed. Her statement was that Israelis are worth 3 Palestinians. With this sort of attitude it won't end.

woman11017 · 04/09/2018 14:40

Ooh look Ian Dunt. Smile
@IanDunt
7 out of 10 Mumsnet users want a final vote on the Brexit deal. 22% of users who voted Leave now back Remain, 2% of those who voted Remain now back Leave www.mumsnet.com/politics/seven-out-of-ten-mumsnet-users-want-vote-on-brexit-deal?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Tweet&utm_content=Brexit+poll …

woman11017 · 04/09/2018 14:43

And this comment on that thread:
Mumsnet might yet be a stronger political force than @UKLabour on #Brexit. 2018 is full of surprises

Hazardswan · 04/09/2018 14:45

Fully bracing myself for private to ramp up the prices LeClerc

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 14:51

Mumsnet might yet be a stronger political force than @UKLabour on #Brexit. 2018 is full of surprises

Well.......

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1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 14:53

@Hazard
The whole thing is a 'profiteerer's charter.
There was a bit of talk about corruption earlier today, or yesterday, saying the EU is corrupt. With possible shortages and likely deregulation who knows what is coming.

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prettybird · 04/09/2018 14:59

We listened to the "Long Interview" by Douglas Fraser on early on Sunday morning on Radio Scotland as we drove up to Aberdeen to decant ds to Aberdeen Uni (eek! Shock). It was with Ross McEwan, the Kiwi Chief Exec of RBS.

It was half an hour long and very interesting. I suspect it was pre-prepared questions as Ross McEwan was so articulate in his answers.

It was during that interview that he said that they are setting up a new subsidiary in the Netherlands, transferring 150 high level jobs, in order to continue to service their European clients after Brexit. On 2 or 3 occasions, he emphasised that they hope to get the necessary licences in place in time. He finally mentioned that if they don't get the licences in time, then they will have to tell their European clients to move their business to another bank Shock

I heard the "moving 150 jobs" on the R2 news as we were driving back down in the late afternoon - but I didn't hear the warning about potentially having to ditch customers Hmm So much for our "Brexit dividend" Confused - Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving Angry but then, we on Westministenders already knew that WinkHmm

This is a bank that we, as taxpayers, still have a part share in! Shock