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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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SingingBabooshkaBadly · 04/09/2018 10:36

Mrsr8, Hazardswan Thank you. I’ve been ordering a little early for a while but long term disruption to the supply is a real fear. There are so many people in this position I know. Hazardswan, you DP is lucky to have you fighting his corner (as, I am sure, you are lucky to have him). I’m keeping everything crossed your plan A works out!

Imagine how many very vulnerable people have no one to help them through this.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 10:43

Theo Usherwood
Exclusive: Met Police to investigate whether cases of anti-Semitism within the Labour Party constitute hate crimes.

Met Commissioner told LBC: “Hate crime is something we take very, very seriously...

Ferrari: “Expressions such as a ‘we shall rid the Jews who are a cancer on us all'... that's certainly 'worth a look at’ as they say in policing terms?"

Cressida Dick replied: “We will scope it, we will see whether a crime has taken place ... I, of course, will pass this to my experts to look at.”

It comes after LBC obtained a file of cases before NEC Disputes Panel. Mak Chishty was in charge of hate crime at Met until 2017. He reviewed it and found 45 cases of anti-Semitism, 17 were race-hate incidents, which should be reported to police for investigation.

Mr Chishty found 4 more cases warranted investigation as potential hate crimes. He told @LBC: “There is a very small selection which I think are at the more severe level. On face value very abhorrent, the language in there is absolutely horrible."

He added: "It is highly offensive language used against a certain race about their faith and I think that is what we should be stamping out on."

Me: “And that is anti-Semitism?”

Mr Chishty: “That is anti-Semitism, yes.”

The four cases Mr Chishty highlighted as race hate crimes are as follows.

Number 1: The activist who said a Jewish Labour MP was about to “get a good kicking”.

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RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 10:46

Theo Usherwood @theousherwood
Number 3:

This from one party member on Facebook: “We shall rid the Jews who are a cancer on us all."

Number 4:

And then a party member accused of this:

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RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 10:48

Theo Usherwood @theousherwood
It is worth returning to the 17 cases Mak Chishty's team identified as constituting race-hate incidents (NOT CRIMES) for police investigation. They told me those cases could turn out to be a crimes following investigation.

There was this one:

And then this one:

Finally, there is this one. Again, Mr Chishty said he didn't think it was necessarily a crime, but needed to be investigated as an incident. It then might turn out that a crime has been committed.

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RedToothBrush · 04/09/2018 10:49

If we are indeed about to go legal, then things are going to get very messy indeed.

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DGRossetti · 04/09/2018 10:55

This chaps in for a rude awakening ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-45398634

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After Brexit, Sir Steve said there would be even greater demand for skilled workers and the UK needed to show it was "open for business".
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Sorry mate, more foreigners ??? What in earth did you think Brexit was about ? Somebody get this idiot on message. Quickly.

I almost feel sorry for him. He even tries to use facts !!!!!

The UK removed the right to work after claims that overseas students were over-staying and using student visas as a back-door route for migration. But Sir Steve said such claims had proved to be "factually incorrect" and the latest data showed that 98% of overseas students complied with their visa requirements.

I guess it's proof that academics really don't know what's going on Sad

1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 11:19

OK, Brilliant plan. Go to the UK and get a degree so I can then 'drop out' and live on social security.
Not much of a plan in my book.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/09/2018 11:26

Journalists should be doing their job; investigating the ramifications of possible no deal
and what plans need to be put in place to maintain essentials, e.g. meds.

Also which leading Brexiters / Tory donors would profit from no deal.

Strangely, the Heil revealed one some months ago:

Brexiteer Odey bets £500m AGAINST British businesses: Rees-Mogg backer hopes to gain from ‘short’ stakes in shares he believes will fall

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/investing/article-5824697/Brexiteer-Odey-bets-500m-AGAINST-British-businesses.html

Hedge fund tycoon Crispin Odey
– who recently demanded Theresa May’s eviction from No 10 saying she couldn’t be trusted to carry Brexit through –
stands to make huge profits from the woes of the UK economy, The Mail on Sunday an reveal

His firm Odey Asset Management has taken out more than £500 million ‘short’ positions
– which are essentially a gamble that a share price will fall –
on some of Britain’s biggest firms, implying that he expects a poor performance from them.

Odey’s apparent lack of confidence in flagship British firms
stands in marked contrast to his fund’s investments in other countries, including France, Germany and the US,
where he is mainly backing shares to rise.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/09/2018 11:26

In contrast to the UK, this is what professional journalists do in other countries - even though they risk far more than promotions & paychecks:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/reuters-reporters-jailed-for-seven-years-over-rohingya-secrets-tg0hzzznf?

BURMA:
Two journalists who investigated a massacre of Rohingya Muslims in Burma have been jailed for seven years after a court convicted them of violating state secrets.
< state secret that the govt massacred a minority Angry >

BigChocFrenzy · 04/09/2018 11:38

Is Israel any more of a racist state than the UK, the US, or several other countries, including EU member Hungary ?

Yet if anyone like Dianne Abbot claims England is racist, they get crucified for hyperbola.
I can't imagine the response if she called for the abolition of England, because of racism
and noone has ever tried to exterminate the English, in living memory of some people.

I watch my language against Israel, because of some of those on the political extremes who want a rerun of the Holcaust

Israel is facing terrorist attacks and also has hostile neighbouring countries who would wipe them out as a nation, very likely with genocide as a side dish.
So, while feeling free to criticise actions by the Israeli govt, I would not call into question their entire nation and its right to exist.

I'd accept Israel can take much tougher action against those that might wipe them out, than I would accept from the UK e.g. against the IRA, or even the SNP

The UK's war is with itself

1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 11:43

Is it just a coincidence that all these 'Labour party woes' are coming to the top at a time when Labour should be thinking of being a real opposition and prevent the UK going to the dogs by having a (whispers) plan?

DGRossetti · 04/09/2018 11:50

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Icantreachthepretzels · 04/09/2018 11:51

The mumsnet brexit survey results have just been published. 71% of 2000 answerers (is there a word for that that I'm missing? - that can't be right) want a new referendum. and 60% felt misled by the campaigns (mostly leave).

People replying to the thread are not happy. The survey must be false and wrong and worthless (and they're staunch remainers! - yeah right)

1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 12:15

Respondents

1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 12:17

Strange how MN had a 'survey' but all Brexit stuff is still a couple of clicks down buried in 'Talk'.

Mrsr8 · 04/09/2018 12:19

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1tisILeClerc · 04/09/2018 12:20

Don't click on 'Top timer savers' video unless you want your brain sucked out through your ear.

DGRossetti · 04/09/2018 12:26

Strange how MN had a 'survey'

Did they ?

BigChocFrenzy · 04/09/2018 12:35

oops, I missed that survey Blush

BigChocFrenzy · 04/09/2018 12:37

'I envisaged jobs, travel and opportunity, Hmm not having a potato delivered by the army.' Grin

DGRossetti · 04/09/2018 12:42

oops, I missed that survey

One has to question how valid any results from it are, if it managed to go unnoticed by two of MNs more prolific posters HmmHmmHmmHmmHmmHmmHmmHmmHmm

Hazardswan · 04/09/2018 12:58

baboo that's my greatest concern all the people who don't have someone fighting for them. tbh its putting me off seeing my MP, I want to be composed for it not beetroot in the face and screaming "WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?! YOU !#!&"

I've had sensible conversations with leavers about it, they didn't vote for medicine shortages - not many would. I think as a topic it's a leveler, equaliser and brings most people to common ground.

It sounds as if your doing all you can atm. If it's a longer term problem as long as flights or ships get sorted you will be able to get hold of things on a private prescription it's whether or not you have the cash for that.

Anyone wondering why things would be available privately not on the NHS, NHS has contracts with specfic suppliers also they may move more meds to the non-formulary list.

Hazardswan · 04/09/2018 13:03

The survey was posted as a sticky in active, which is good because it means people from across MN took it not just those into politics.

DGRossetti · 04/09/2018 13:04

Anyone wondering why things would be available privately not on the NHS, NHS has contracts with specfic suppliers also they may move more meds to the non-formulary list.

Some manufacturers simply stopped making the medicines. Private, NHS, or pixie-paid-for, they're not available with UK/EU certification.

Which (as my local pharmacist sadly confirmed) means the door is now open for the sort of scum pondlife that will just sell fake medicines to the vulnerable. Although, if there's any justice, it'll hit a few of the well-heeled Brexiteers too.

DGRossetti · 04/09/2018 13:05

The survey was posted as a sticky in active

Ah, I don't check that link ...

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