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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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woman11017 · 03/09/2018 18:16

All JC9 slate confirmed, I think
Gruesome. Racism is a vote winner.

thecatfromjapan · 03/09/2018 18:17
Sad
woman11017 · 03/09/2018 18:17

Clicked too soon. Racism is a vote winner with morons.

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woman11017 · 03/09/2018 18:21

All the creepiest little men in SWP et al have shoved their way to the front. Watching Swedish elections it's got parallels.
www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-sweden-s-moderate-far-right-has-a-nazi-problem-1.6445001

woman11017 · 03/09/2018 18:28

What have I missed
Peter "Jewish Trump fanatics" Willsman and the JC9 have been shoed in to the labour NEC. A bit coupy too.
“Some of these people in the Jewish community support Trump. They are Trump fanatics and all the rest of it.
www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/pete-willsman-re-elected-to-labour-s-nec-despite-antisemitism-denial-rant-1.469188.

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thecatfromjapan · 03/09/2018 18:42

The on-line campaign to keep people loyally voting for PW, despite being officially removed form the slate, was something to behold.

woman11017 · 03/09/2018 18:49

was something to behold .Tell me more cat. Is that what Lynskey is referring to here?

@Dorianlynskey
"I’ve long been critical of Corbyn but it’s not the leadership, it’s the current membership. A party that endorses the worldview of Pete Willsman, Chris Williamson, Seumas Milne and Skwawkbox is not the party I joined. I hate to leave but I can’t stay.

I was waiting for the NEC result before I made up my mind but I’m leaving the Labour Party. Willsman’s election is the last straw. Factional groupthink has trumped decency.

‏I just think if you don't want to be called very right-wing you should probably stop retweeting white nationalist tropes. To avoid confusion.

I keep running into people on here who get outraged when I call them very right-wing because they constantly tweet very right-wing things. The standard defence seems to be that they're not literally Nazis. (Guess the name of their favourite Canadian YouTube intellectual.)"
twitter.com/Dorianlynskey

To most sensible observers they literally are. We now just get a choice of voting in blue ones or red ones.

HesterThrale · 03/09/2018 19:36

Just signed the European Citizen's Initiative, to ask for continued citizenship for U.K. people after Brexit. It's on 78,000 supporters out of 1,000,000 needed by next July. It's passed the number needed in the UK, but I'm not sure if it will get the requisite numbers in 7 other countries. For the breakdown, click on the PDF symbol then on 'All Countries'. Romania, Ireland, Belgium, quite high.
It needs UK citizens living in the EU to sign from their country of residence.

eci.ec.europa.eu/002/public/#/initiative

bellinisurge · 03/09/2018 19:53

I'm already an Irish citizen because my Mum was Irish born in Ireland. That's not new. I'm in my 50s. It's been that way since I was born.
Just getting a passport would be new.
Putting my dd on the Register of Foreign Births would be new. And the passport to which she will become entitled as a new citizen will be new.

thecatfromjapan · 03/09/2018 19:58

Sounds like it, woman. My timeline was flooded. Ranged from 'How dare they deselect PW?', through 'This is a right-wing Lab conspiracy', to some really nasty propaganda/weird stuff about Israel/Mossad madness.

It wasn't even the content (though it was) it was the volume. I am sure there are a lot of automated accounts. And it's not good. Ultimately, it's actually destructive of political communication.

This absolute contamination of political social media (whether it be 'right' or 'left' or 'weird and suspect') is one of the things that really scares me.

Hazardswan · 03/09/2018 20:43

Just catching up, thank you for the jc link.

Labour still hasn't adopted the full IHRA definition? That was called out weeks ago. What's wrong with them? That's the piss easy 'let's look as if we're trying' thing to do. I hadn't followed it because I thought it was obvious they'd just do it.

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thecatfromjapan · 03/09/2018 20:52

Hazardswan I think, in your incredulity as to Labour's not having adopted the IHRA definition, you reveal you have not been keeping up with the joys of Labour Party politics.

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thecatfromjapan · 03/09/2018 20:57

It's Corbyn defence. It operates in so many ways, I can't be bothered to list them. One theory is that his past actions/speech might fall short, and thus leave him open to more attack.

I don't buy it, frankly.

More bleakly, I - personally - think it actually serves a psychological function of creating a mindset of being 'at war' in play in the core Corbyn support group, which binds them very closely to The Magic Grandad.

Lisa Muggeridge on YouTube also has a good theory.

Social Media is a chess pit around this.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2018 21:00

I think there's a danger of some trolling here ... subtle (and all the better for it) ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-45401354

A plastic tunnel attached to the side of a supermarket has become the highest rated TripAdvisor attraction in a Cornish seaside resort.

The 70m (230ft) structure in Bude has racked up more than 160 comments with the majority rating it "excellent".

Those commenting have jokingly likened it to the Taj Mahal and called it "one of the seven wonders".

Its profile says "nowhere else in Bude can you walk this far undercover in a continuous straight line".

The person who originally listed the tunnel, who wishes to remain anonymous, said they did so because it was "one I have admired for a while", and they "never thought that it would become this popular".

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SusanWalker · 03/09/2018 21:11

kernow a'gas dynergh 😊 we could turn Cornwall into a remainer colony and fly the EU flag from the Tamar bridge 🌉

Very depressed about everything today. The Labour party, the government, Boris....

Hazardswan · 03/09/2018 21:11

Labour - labouring away at redefining every one and every thing.

Not exactly a catchy party line but we're living in a different sort of world now.

cat Grin I'm not a hardened political swan, more a for fucks sakes this is getting so shite i better start paying attention swan.

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Hazardswan · 03/09/2018 21:21

mrs it's so frustrating people arent even basically aware.

On Saturday I talked through the medication and food issues with two leavers. They thought aldi would close because it's German and every other supermarket would be fine because it's British. It was a long, long, talk.

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2018 21:25

Four Words:

Mother's Day.
Never Forget.

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colouringinpro · 03/09/2018 21:35

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1tisILeClerc · 03/09/2018 21:48

Someone posted a link to a short piece about a German supermarket trying to 'prove a point' about racism in Germany and the need for cooperation between countries. For 1 day they had ONLY German produce on the shelves, which were obviously very empty as a result.