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Westministenders: Back to School

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RedToothBrush · 30/08/2018 13:01

No, I'm not referring to the start of a new parliamentary season, I'm referring to the number of politicians who need to literally go back to school. Its embarassing, and worrying.

Anyway, here is a slightly lengthy, end summer news round up for you.

The Brexit Headlines
It seems to be Cabinet Office policy to push for the Chequers Deal or for No Deal Even though Macron has very firm, plainly and clearly said "non" in no uncertain terms. Its significant because its come from the official Brexit Department and not from a sweating Dominic Raab at Dexeu.

He has however delivered the first batch of the Brexit Untechnical Papers which are supposed to advise what to do in the event of No Deal. In reality this is a PR exercise, which makes the assumption that some sort of minimual deal will have been done, rather than no deal at all, combined with a very practical plan for 'a wing and a prayer'. Which is a bit of an issue if we decide that we really are going to stick to the line that its Chequers or no deal.

These untechnical papers are ludicarious shallow, which some having the audaciency to say "plan for the news rules, but we haven't actually decided what the news rules are and we'll get back to you as soon as we've made them up". The completely skirt the entire subject of NI, saying merely, more or less "oh that one will just work itself out". Despite the untechnical papers don't include the crucial aviation one, which apparently was held back because it was regarded as 'too shambolic' which is quite the statement, if you've read any of them. Nor do they include details of the contract for hundreds of portaloos to line our motorways so that lorry drivers can still take a pee whilst they are stuck in queues for days. They might starve and no one else will have any food because all the lorries are stuck, but hell they'll be no exposure on the M20 to offend you.

Its not quite as bleak as it sounds though. The Chequers Deal is a vision of our future relationship with the EU. Its not the Withdrawal Deal. And the Withdrawal Deal (and backstop) is the thing that needs to be done in Oct / Nov. Which then will lead on to talks about the Chequers Deal. You can't talk about Chequers without having ALREADY agreed the Withdrawal. Which is very important to keep in mind as its continuely being lost in the media coverage. Could it be that all the sudden noise from the Cabinet Office, is an attempt to distract in the short term to protect the Withdrawal phrase?

Also as an alternative to Chequers, Macron is reportedly expected to propose something akin to an 'associate member' style agreement for the UK with a vision for the EU and its allies to form a series of "concentric circles", with Britain closely tied to the 27 "core" EU member states. If this sounds familiar it is. Guy Verhofstadt has been banging on about this as an idea since before Brexit. Its also a plan which has long been muted by Barnier too. It will probably go down like a lead balloon here, but there is a political will in the EU for a deal. There just isn't in the UK.

More generally in UK politics
Jeremy Corbyn has had a nice relaxing summer but after the hard upcoming weeks ahead, I think he'll still be looking forward to his holiday plans for the Autumn Break, when he visits Israel to profess he's still definitely not an anti-semite, because look he's visiting the evil Zion and talking to Jews. He will spend the next few month telling us that No Deal is a Very Bad Idea, whilst also trying to get his MPs to vote in ways that are a Very Bad Idea. Meanwhile the rest of Labour will indulge in a very public slanging match which most normal people have long since stopped caring about in anyway because they are so bored and disappointed in how far heads have been inserted up backsides.

Theresa May, has been in Africa, where she is trying to get trade deals with lots of countries we already have trade deals with through the EU. She's also in the midst of a fight with Spreadsheet Phil who has been busy telling her to butt out of the budget and realising information to undermine the 'No Deal' narrative all week. Oh and trying to persuade beg Mark Carney to stay another year at the BoE cos no one wants his job. Rees-Smug has been up to his usual English Gentleman Act where he replicates the MPs of the Victorian Era who were into fucking those from the colonies whilst stripping them for asserts, with impecable manners. Boris Johnson is looking for his next photo op where he can look zany and drop a headline grabbing offensive comment. If it winds May up, so much the better. The Tory Creche outing to Birmingham looks like its going to be a scream.

I should say something about the LDs here, so here's a tumbleweed for you.

Back to Brexit
The fishing wars have started. Michael Gove has yet to be sighted in a souwester though (give it time). The Scallop Wars are an insight into why we need a relationship with the EU. It turns out that the French are pissed because we've been using these big fuck off ships which dredge the sea bed and are a ecological disaster and haven't observed a break for a 'breeding season' this year, whilst the French are forced to do so by law. We had been observing an informal agreement where we stick to the same rules, but for some reason this year, some bright spark though it was a bad idea for us to do so. So the French have got a bit shirty in response. Gove is spitting the dummy and saying we will do something. The reality? Well what exactly can we do apart from go to the EU and use the EU courts apart from patrolling the seas with a lot of customs boats and officials we don't have? Cod Wars III here we come!

We've also announced plans for brand new white whale money pit satellite to circle solely over the UK. We aren't in need of coverage for the rest of the world, so we aren't going to waste money on flying over anywhere else who isn't prepared to help contribute financially to its construction. It is going under the draft name of 'Heliocentre'

In other news
If none of this cheers your spirits, then great news; Good Old Nige is making a come back!!! He's dead excited because he's planning his first big Nazi Leave means Leave rally in Bolton where he act out his childhood Hitler fantasy. It'll a cost you a fiver to get in. He's also bored and worried about his income, as he's now considering getting pasted in the London Mayoral Election for the publicity. So soon his face will be back on your TV boxes for Questiontime. Are you all so happy.

I rather suspect the Greens won't be objecting and will be only too happy they aren't getting the publicity they deserve as the 4th biggest party at the moment...

So the Summer is over and normal service is resuming. I hope you have enjoyed the rest and this post brings you a little up to speed. We have Party Conferences to look forward to in the upcoming weeks. Won't that be a joy to behold? And the resumption of shooting ourselves in the face in EU talks.

Oh and don't forget that Trump fellow too. Its all starting to look a bit tasty over there ahead of the November elections. What happens there in the next couple of months might be very important to what happens over here.

Who is excited?!

I am just dancing to the sound of the South African Beats.

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DGRossetti · 03/09/2018 08:35

Tick tock, tick tock.
There is no time to change tack.

(I'm sure there's a pome there somewhere ...)

lonelyplanetmum · 03/09/2018 08:39

It's funny isn't it over the last few days:

The PM.
Boris.
Nick Boles (on behalf of Gove?)

Have put forward overall visions for our cataclysmic mess. I wonder if the politicians approached the Telegraph or vice versa?

I'm guessing BCF is right and battle lines are being repeated or redrawn before the Conservative party bun fight. It's a bit odd this public exposure of the internal rifts.

Not many people really get to read these internal very belated manifestos as the daily readership of the Tory graph ( print version) is 971,000.

1tisILeClerc · 03/09/2018 08:50

It would be nice to think ANY of them could look at the Chequers paper and think for a few minutes (doesn't have to be too taxing for them) about WHY the EU won't accept the 'demands'.
Maybe 'Ladybird' could print a little book about 'Janet and John do Brexit' with some nice coloured diagrams to help them.
Maybe a free sticker to go with it that has the 4 pillars of the EU on it as a handy reminder.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2018 09:03

Also, there's now a steady - daily Hmm trickle of bad news (did anyone see that documentary a few years back about the flooding of the Nile, starting with a dry river bed /)

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/02/britain-loses-medicines-contracts-as-eu-body-anticipates-brexit

Britain’s leading role in evaluating new medicines for sale to patients across the EU has collapsed with no more work coming from Europe because of Brexit, it has emerged.

The decision by the European Medicines Agency to cut Britain out of its contracts seven months ahead of Brexit is a devastating blow to British pharmaceutical companies already reeling from the loss of the EMA’s HQ in London and with it 900 jobs.

(contd)

2016 - 36+ contracts
2018 - 2 (and they exist from before 2016).

So:

    • the EU is deadly serious about removing the UK from it's institutions.
  1. that's an entire department with fuck-all to do now. How long before the P45s ?

plus:

The EMA has already started its move from Britain to its new headquarters in Amsterdam. It employs 900 staff in its Canary Wharf offices, in London, and 84 have already relocated to the Dutch capital, the EMA said. It expected that about 300 of its staff would be unable to relocate and have to find new jobs because of Brexit.

I wonder if some of those unable to relocate are because they are UK citizens only ?

AnnieKenney · 03/09/2018 09:35

Maybe Ladybird could print a little book...

You mean like these? Grin

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2018 09:57

Theo Usherwood @theousherwood
"Brexit means Brexit" - Mrs May has been accused of not giving voters a clear idea of what Brexit actually means. Funny thing is - voters have a pretty clear idea. Full control of borders and no more payments to the EU.

Peter Foster @pmdfoster
Customs Union is a surprisingly low number here. That may yet come in handy.

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2018 10:02

Here's the full thread:

Theo Usherwood @theousherwood
LBC has today published an exclusive Brexit poll and it paints a pretty bleak picture for the Prime Minister. Headline numbers below.

Who will deliver a "real" Brexit - Boris or Theresa? Clear winner.
Theresa - 30%
Boris - 39%
Don't know - 31%

"Brexit means Brexit" - Mrs May has been accused of not giving voters a clear idea of what Brexit actually means. Funny thing is - voters have a pretty clear idea. Full control of borders and no more payments to the EU.

Lengthy queues for immigration at Dover. Britain plunged into recession. Rocketing prices at the supermarket. Most leavers don't care: we just need to get out of the EU.

Tory government or a "real Brexit"? Tory leavers know what they want.

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2018 10:04

Theo Usherwood @theousherwood
Labour leavers more split.

Finally, on calls for a second referendum. More voters still think the Prime Minister just needs to get on with Brexit.

The poll was carried out by Deltapoll last week.

and the first tweet after the thread is pointed:

Jeannine @Jeannin36571196
I still can't help thinking the immigration issue is racism in disguise. Still the biggest issue and 10% want EU residents in Britain to leave!!!!!

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DGRossetti · 03/09/2018 10:09

Anyone interested in a Facebook "event" ?

www.facebook.com/events/732432117105726/

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Try dancing like May at home!

Teresa May Dance (1st Edition)

May 1.0 Put your weight on your left foot and pivot, slowly swinging your hips and right foot back and forth with your arms bent to in the ‘T-Rex’ pose Start walking forward in a slow, mechanical fashion out of time to the music and with arms still positioned like the large dinosaur, but with torso waving like a tree in a mild breeze.

Teresa May Dance (2nd Edition)

May 2.0 Keep both feet planted and swing arms in a jerky motion as if trying to prove to your parents you are sober and can walk in a straight line – but without moving either foot. Return to May 1.0 (left foot planted, bizarre hip/right foot swivel) but with the addition of a creepy smile and gaze into the middle distance. Repeat steps one and two, but intersperse with occasionally giving up, putting your hands on your thighs and laughing maniacally like you’ve stumbled across a cracking cookbook sale.

Teresa May Dance (3rd Edition)

A work in progress...

1tisILeClerc · 03/09/2018 10:12

It may well be a dream come true as EU residents in the UK decide to leave for the forward thinking, financially viable 'continent'.
@Annie, yes I had not seen those books. Are there any 'dumbed down' enough that the government might get to grips with?

DGRossetti · 03/09/2018 10:18

I wonder what Boris' game is ? It's too late to change tack on Brexit at this point, so he's merely grandstanding (obviously). Is he thinking a change of PM (i.e. him) would make any difference ? I can't see it affecting the EUs direction of travel, so he'd just be taking over as the iceberg looms into view. Doesn't seem the action of the most intelligent man in Europe (as I believe Boris sees himself) ?

Or is he merely measuring up curtains in the assumption that Theresa May will impale herself on the railings of Brexit (that she put there) and that the aftermath will reveal a path to no. 10 as if from beaten gold ?

AnnieKenney · 03/09/2018 10:39

At a time when the Govt are still pushing a plan that the EU rejected 2 years ago I remain unconvinced that anything can be dumbed down enough for them to grasp. I am really starting to think that the EU is frustrated enough to let the UK experience no-deal for a while just to bring the UK to its senses.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2018 10:50

I am really starting to think that the EU is frustrated enough to let the UK experience no-deal for a while just to bring the UK to its senses.

It's not a question of being frustrated (and anthropomorphising the EU is more the preserve of Brexiteers). It really is simply the fact that there is nothing the EU can do. They have no power over the UK government, carry no currency in Parliament, and no direct say in the UK at all.

What would you have them do ?

When it comes to Brexit, the ball is, was, and will continue to be in the UKs court. When we can find it. All the EU can do is engage on the terms set out in A50, with their own (carefully drawn up) list of areas where their agreed, democratic rules will affect the discussion.

There's no joy over Brexit in the EU, mainly because it's so stupid. When I used to work in motor repairs, I took no joy in seeing a damaged car - even if it meant money for me.

1tisILeClerc · 03/09/2018 10:57

I wonder if the Eu have gone down to 'Cards Are Us' yet, to get a goodbye card they can all sign?
Mrs May will most likely 'take the hit' for overseeing leave and will be replaced by Boris or whoever who will rush in on a white mouse and preside over the sunny uplands, where business and EU nationals file out of the UK in an orderly fashion.

jasjas1973 · 03/09/2018 10:59

Boris was always a remainer, wrote loads of stuff on its benefits, only changing his mind when he thought Leave might win.

It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that he would seize power, tell us all May/DD and Raab etc have totally fcuked up brexit and its too late to leave, we d be worse off because of them messing up the opportunity and that he is the man to get us a better deal IN Europe.

AnnieKenney · 03/09/2018 11:03

You're right of course. I simply meant that up until recently the sense from the EU has been one of helpfulness (whilst still maintaining its own red lines) but my sense is of this running out. I live in the EU and agree there's no joy at the UK leaving - many will be badly affected. The main reaction I come across is one of bewilderment that the UK is persuing such folly when they had previously thought of the UK as quite sensible.

1tisILeClerc · 03/09/2018 11:16

If you think of the EU as a bucket to carry water. Allowing the UK to drill holes in it is obviously a 'non starter'. The fact the UK government can't appreciate even such a simple analogy suggests there are other 'factors' at work as no one can be quite THAT stupid. Even the disaster capitalist ideas don't seem quite 'grand' enough to encompass the amount of radical change likely to happen. It will take a lot of 'personpower' to buy up all the failing businesses and institutions.

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DGRossetti · 03/09/2018 11:21

If you think of the EU as a bucket to carry water. Allowing the UK to drill holes in it is obviously a 'non starter'. The fact the UK government can't appreciate even such a simple analogy suggests there are other 'factors' at work as no one can be quite THAT stupid.

It's not too dramatic to remind people that the UK is a nuclear power (of sorts) ? Maybe there are some folk that never forgot ?

Bearbehind · 03/09/2018 11:21

Boris was always a remainer, wrote loads of stuff on its benefits, only changing his mind when he thought Leave might win

Not at all.

He changed allegiance when he was convinced Leave would lose.

Winning was never on his agenda.

He wanted to be the hero who tried.

Then Leave won and screwed him right up.

AnnieKenney · 03/09/2018 11:22

no one can be quite THAT stupid

I used to think that too. And then I worked at quite a high level in Whitehall. It isnt stupidity so much as the dominance of ego and territory over common sense. I think most people would be horrified if they understood the reality of Govt decision making processes.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2018 11:31

no one can be quite THAT stupid

Hmmm, The Charge of the Light Brigade ?

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DGRossetti · 03/09/2018 11:41

The only happy point of that awful day was him and gove borh looking like they'd been crying and were about to puke

Because they have unleashed the mob.

I wonder if Robespierre felt the same ?

At the moment no Brexiteer dare stop the ship of state. Remember national newspapers have branded mere questioning of the result "traitorous". What do you think they'd do to a Boris (or whoever) who became PM and tried to stop Brexit. And even if they didn't there are 16,000,000 people - some of whom must be pumped up enough to try anything. Jo Cox might not be the last Sad.

You can will a lot of money and learn a lot about peoples ignorance, by "knowing stuff". Two little money spinners are:

  1. The last coup resulting in a leader being executed in Europe was ??????

  2. The last person to be guillotined in France was ????? (ignore the bollocks spouted by Stephen Fry on QI a few years ago).

Both answers are quite .... surprising, if not shocking.

(my own favourite is that London Underground ran special execution tube services for public executions ....)

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