Have your frienships and family relationships suffered as a result of Brexit?

[Wormzy]

Just that, really. If friends and/ or family members have clearly voted differently to you, has it changed the way you see them or interact with them? Have friendships broken down?

I haven't been able to vote, but the outcome of the vote affects me disproportionately. Family members have voted Leave. There have been arguments, also between friends, some ended in loss of contact.

I wonder how the Brexit vote has affected others on here?

Yes, certainly tensions, but not to NC. We are respectful of others views.
I think my parents are gullible and misinformed. I am frustrated with their logic. Their reasoning is racist fueled by DM sensationalism. How else can I explain their views. This is a couple who complain about 'immigrants/ foreigners using our healthcare and taking our jobs, who have no knowledge of how the system works for non EU adults to be able to live here; they spout untruths.
This is the same couple who lived and worked in Europe, were expats in Spain and who had major operations in Spanish hospitals! When I am feeling particularly brave I light the touch paper and remind them of their foreign/immigrant status and how they just might be viewed by the Spanish!

Much of the leave vote was fueled locally by immigration and jobs. I just hope that you and I, my fellow Brits, get off our backsides and take these now vacant jobs - low paid agricultural jobs including fruit picking, shift work in hospitals and hotels, cleaning and caretaking jobs in our schools. There are going to be plenty of positions to fill.

sar51

Here's one for a final say

www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-give-people-a-final-say-on-brexit-deal

On the westminster thread in the brexit topic one of us posts a new one practically every other day. Let me have a dig!

@sar51 this one is sort out the border with Ireland or no brexit basically petition.parliament.uk/petitions/217857

And this one is Derry girls against borders

www.change.org/p/dublin-london-belfast-and-brussels-hear-our-voices-and-stop-brexit-borders

I can't find the main ones for some reason but their are two I think on the goverment website.

Sorry for flooding! Last one I promise

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/223729

This is a bigger one, take back article 50 if its proven that the leave campaign lied.

no voter should be held accountable for their vote,

I can't get my head around this one.

Not really.
I am a remainer but I really dislike the inference about many people who voted brexit. They are no more or less thick that anyone else.

Not really effected as we all voted the same way.

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow - of course you don't know anyone who is stockpiling food. Because they won't tell you so you don't come knocking on their door.
It's the basic rule of putting stuff by just in case.

Thanks for the links Haz. I will go on later when kids are in bed and sign

I don't put politics before friendship.

Oh, I definitely do!! Don't want no fascists, racists or bigots as friends thank you very much!

Helmetbymidnight

.....because they (we) shouldn't have had a vote!

DC behaved in a totally irresponsible and cavalier attitude in doing so, Parliament then continued his error with this Will of the People bollox!

i mean how the hell would any voter be aware of Radio Active Isotopes (who knows what they even are?) their shelf life and issues bring them into the UK following a no deal brexit? and this is just one tiny example of issues we ll face but wouldn't have had scooby what they are.

...who voted brexit. They are no more or less thick that anyone else.

I have not called anyone thick personally, but cannot get my head around what kind of person would vote for an unknown quantity, when no implementation plan was presented. The absence of a plan should have rung serious alarm bells in the heads of the voting public.

Also, it is largely Leavers (certainly leave campaigners) who painted remainers as 'elite', 'expert', etc., so, in a way, they themselves have painted themselves as the very opposite of these qualities. And then they come onto forums like this and say 'who are you calling thick'? If they want to depict half the voting population as 'elite' (whatever that means in their minds), by definition they are painting leave voters as 'non-elite'. Most of the comments I've seen on MN about 'knuckle-dragging racists' have been written by leavers attributing those views to remainers who have said no such thing. It's fucking bizarre.

I will repeat: I personally do not think all Leave voters are thick, but they were certainly happy to vote for the unknown, which does seem to require a lack of critical thinking IMO. I've also seen leave voters on MN paint themselves as bold, brave risk-takers. Unfortunately, however, it's not just their futures they're gambling with.

not directly Brexit - I don't think I know anyone who voted leave (if I do they've kept it secret) - but I'm so monumentally fucked off with the Labour party that it has caused tension with more Corbynite people I know.

I feel so depressed by the whole shit storm - I'm worried about dh's job, I'm worried about price rises (economic disaster!), I'm worried about the effect of more years of Tory government (I have children who will be at school & university, parents who are ageing, a disabled child) they are a disaster & total fuckers, they revolt me. I'm furious with Labour - just furious - they've been absolutely fucking useless.

I'm a bit judgy of my relatives who voted leave and have dug up an Irish grandfather and applied for Irish passports, having decided they want EU citizenship but we're happy to remove it from my children. I'm polite and avoid the topic but it wound me up.

Well personally I hate the notion that Brits are work shy lazy bastards who can’t do these jobs.

They were done before and will be done again. And the lowest paid will see a rise in their income. Rightly so. We already have some of the lowest food prices in Europe. This will help rural communities.

Flooding the market with cheap labour is really not a great idea in the long term and it doesn’t help social cohesion either. Boston anyone?

twofingers not everyone thinks the same way as you. A leave vote was always a massive risk and a huge unknown. Most of us knew that. I’m just amazed the vote went through - delighted - but I knew it would be a shot storm. Yes, I hate the EU THAT much

I'm a bit judgy of my relatives who voted leave and have dug up an Irish grandfather

Very odd behaviour

twofingers not everyone thinks the same way as you

You don't say

In answer to op - YES

I guess my views were formed by having to move and when I got there not liking it much and three months later the leave verdict.

It just compounded what felt about the politics of the people. Then, worse, some of the reasons like ‘felt like a change’ and ‘they need us’ cemented my view.

I know people in this place.

I’m saying ‘phew at least ds will get a second passport with rights across the EU.’

These people, who spent a fortune on tutoring to get dcs through 11+ (to compensate for the education they sadly didn’t get) tell me ‘why do that howrudeofme when we hear that youth unemployment is high in the country you are getting his second passport from’.

I respond ‘it’s not about that particular country, but it gains access to 27 others’.

They respond with a pale face in their realisation of how they’ve voted and how they have not helped their children inspite of their financial investment. And these are the ‘big players’ where I live 😂

I have zero sympathy.

Exactly, Mrs8. And let's not forget that Dominic Raab is a fan of workhouses and a privatised health service. The working classes will have never had it so good when we leave the EU! As an (aging) member of that class myself, I can't wait.

On the Irish grandfather thing - that doesn't get you a passport. You need to get citizenship first. I already am because my mum was Irish born in Ireland. I can apply for a passport immediately (subject to providing evidence). However, her grandchildren, including my dd need to apply to become citizens first. And then you can apply for a passport. It all costs money. And effort and time. As it should.
Any dickhead who voted leave and is now invoking an Irish grandad to get an EU passport is having to cough up big bucks. And so they are getting a financial "punishment " in that way. Egg on face costing time and money.
It's not like opening an Amazon account.

I am so sad after the Brexit vote and wonder how my family manage to square their views of “foreigners” with my mixed heritage children that they claim to love. They share the most appalling things on FB and it’s shown them for what they really are I am the only remainer in my whole family.