Have your frienships and family relationships suffered as a result of Brexit?

[Wormzy]

Just that, really. If friends and/ or family members have clearly voted differently to you, has it changed the way you see them or interact with them? Have friendships broken down?

I haven't been able to vote, but the outcome of the vote affects me disproportionately. Family members have voted Leave. There have been arguments, also between friends, some ended in loss of contact.

I wonder how the Brexit vote has affected others on here?

I had a row with my parents before the vote where the words "Oh FFS. Brexit is a scam. They're manipulating you. They'll tell you anything to get you to do what they want and vote your own rights and protections away. Don't fall for it you bloody idiots." were uttered at slightly raised volume in a crowded restaurant. So I guess I'm lucky that they still speak to me.

We don't often talk about it. Occasionally my mum will slip in a quick "well nothing too disastrous has happened, has it?" And I'll respond with either a terse "we haven't left yet" or a sarky "Awww, do you remember when you could get nearly one and a half Euro's for a pound?, it'll be half a Euro soon."

Occasionally one of my aunties chides me to "get behind Brexit" and I always tell her that I wouldn't get behind her sending her savings to a "Nigerian prince" who emailed her, or giving her card details out to a phone scammer, and I won't get behind this.

All my cousins gave definitely muted me on Facebook haven't they?

I blame the UK Government , the UK parliament and the UK media. Almost in equal measure. I do blame leave voters too, but at the end of the day they were presented with an absurdly simplistic question related to a highly complex situation and asked to give a YES/NO answer. This was following a campaign that was fact lite and soundbite saturated.

And to add insult to injury , Labour have decided the job of opposition is too much like hard work and have decided instead to fall out with themselves.

Yeah. I blame the confidence tricksters not their marks.

I blame their marks.

I blame both.

Does anyone remember during the referendum campaign anyone on the Vote Leave team saying that we would need to stockpile medicines ?

Funnily enough frump no. Dont think Leave promised food shortages and cuts to the welfare state either.

I blame both, too. It was very stupid to offer a referendum on this in the first place, so DC has to shoulder most of the blame. However, I've just watched a video of Gary, a chip shop owner in Bristol, who is a Leaver who's changed his mind. He voted Leave because he 'wanted to feel more British'. Surely there has to be some individual responsibility here, too, when people vote for such nebulous reasons?

I would certainly be angry if I had voted to leave the EU , none of the campaign promises are going to come to fruition and in fact it could be argued that they were never really promised in the first place, they were simply spun to sound like promises, the devil is always in the detail isn't it ?

How on earth can you 'feel more British' ? or was that a euphemism for something else

Also, the penny just dropped for me about why we shouldn't tell lots of people about our Brexit prepping.

yup - don’t tell people. I’m prepping for problems and only DH knows. Even the kids haven’t been told because they can’t keep a secret. I’ve factored in potentially having to help out certain family members, but they have no idea either.

The worst thing for me is that I worked for a lobbying group that took a neutral stance about the referendum so I was effectively gagged from expressing my own views anywhere other than privately at home.

Because of my job I have a good understanding of how the EU works and I saw so much rubbish on social media but wasn’t allowed to counter any of it. A colleague did, and got disciplined.

But for me the worst was my DD who had been an ardent EU supporter all her adult life, voted leave because her DH and his family had got to her. He’s a nice guy but completely ill informed and I am astonished that my normally level headed, think-for-herself DD has had this complete about-turn on her political views.

At the time she had a DSis who was living and working in Europe, and another family relative who has taken German citizenship.

We’ve had some interesting dinner table conversations since then, including my elderly father who voted remain telling her she’s got her facts wrong. He never normally confronts anyone.

But there was such a concerted campaign. They went after "low information voters" hard . How many people do you know who never gave two shits about - never even mentioned - the EU before the run up to the referendum - when all of a sudden they became sloganeering Leavers?

And having government ministers standing in front of the bus of lies legitimised the Facebook and football forum psy-ops.

Plus politicians are still talking about "the will of the people " even now - despite, you know, MATHS..

THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE makes my teeth itch every single time ! It should of course be the will of some of the people, or just over a quarter of the UK population. And I always wonder , how many of those people have changed their mind since June 2016 ?

how many of those people have changed their mind since June 2016 ?

Most of them.

Hardcore Brexiters are a small but very vocal minority amplified by those using them to further their own ends.

I think for lots of people it was a protest vote in an advisory referendum. Some folk got caught up and swept away in the "Rule Britannia" of it all. Some were pissed off with being told what to do by that bloody government leaflet. And loads were manipulated at the last minute and could have just as easily have gone the other way.

It helped that you could imagine your own sunlit uplands without the reality of an actual plan getting in the way. Whatever you wanted Brexit was it. Whatever the problem - Brexit was the solution.

Ironically of course, whatever folk voted for Brexit for, they're probably going to get the opposite. In favour of the NHS getting more funding? Lower tax revenue and the higher costs of managing problems caused by Brexit will probably mean Brexit's going to destroy the NHS. Want to control our borders? The government are suggesting no border checks to mitigate the twenty mile lorry tailbacks. Etc.

THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE makes my teeth itch every single time !

probably because it's nakedly dishonest. There are countless examples - in recent memory - where the will of the people has been ignored, or shat upon from a great height. There have already been examples since where it's been ignored and shat upon from a great height. And you can bet your blue passport there will be plenty more - maybe exponentially so - times in the future when it will be ignored.

This whole will of the people bollocks is about as convincing as that time the bully tricked the victim into saying "hit me" at primary school, and dished out a beating "because they asked for it".

Also, "Will of the people" seems to always be for something. It's never allowed to be against something. Good job too really. Because if "the will of the people" was counted by what people didn't want very few - if any - MPs would have a seat (from which they could lecture the plebs about "democracy" )

"Will of the people" is the cry used by despots in order to shut down any further debate.

BTW if just under half opposed something, it certainly isn't the will of the people.

MachineBee bet your fingers were itching through the whole campaign ! Has your daughter and her husband changed their minds ?

Landresser excellent post. I agree, atm, it feels like it’s all very remote for a lot of people.
I’ve seen people booking flights and hols for the beg of April. Not One thought about the possible issues (and they clearly haven’t checked the small print either)

I personally can’t say it has changed any individual relationship (friends or family). It has massively changed the way I see the country as a whole and I will not be staying here (to be treated like crap). A shame in my whole life, this is the country where I stayed the longer ever..... so much so it was starting to feel more like home than ‘home’.
So Yes a massive impact for me on my whole life. And it’s running so deep that I can’t imagine that ever been resolved/mended.

Tbh I’m also wondering how British people will handle the division in the LT....

BTW if just under half opposed something, it certainly isn't the will of the people.

We return to MPs being elected then.

landressy Sky news were reporting from France this morning showing migrants attempting to get into lorries heading for the UK , no border checks would mean a lot of them getting through if France decides not to police their side as intensively or the lorries are waved through this side to attempt to limit the hold ups. I am sure that is exactly what those voting leave who had concerns regarding immigration were voting for ?

I think the problem with the vote is that no one really knew what they were voting for (and we still don't) but it has split everyone so much. It is not really fair to fall out with people over it as there are many reasons for voting either way and it is not fair to call anyone that voted leave a racist (though obviously it would be reasonable to fall out with people that did vote for blatantly racist reasons). We were all lied to/mislead during the campaign and I think we need to vote on the final deal before deciding whether to go ahead with it.

I am remain all the way, I don't think any deal is going to be as good for our economy as staying in.

Sky news were reporting from France this morning showing migrants attempting to get into lorries heading for the UK

This does raise the question of how they managed to get from the nearest EU border to their point of entry, all the way across the EU and to Calais (presumably ?) without being stopped ? I know we don't want "fortress Europe", but I can see how situations like this would trigger an "InstaLeave" mentality.

I don't know the answer to that DG , they said they were from Sudan.

beachysandy we all heard the same lies, that is true. Some people believed them and some people didn't. What really got to me was the fact that anyone was allowed to tell such outright barefaced lies to the UK public without censure.