Have your frienships and family relationships suffered as a result of Brexit?

[Wormzy]

Just that, really. If friends and/ or family members have clearly voted differently to you, has it changed the way you see them or interact with them? Have friendships broken down?

I haven't been able to vote, but the outcome of the vote affects me disproportionately. Family members have voted Leave. There have been arguments, also between friends, some ended in loss of contact.

I wonder how the Brexit vote has affected others on here?

It should have had a required majority built in, as the resultant split - to all intents and purposes 50/50, meant that civil political life in the UK - indeed the continued existence of the UK itself - would be dangerously compromised

Yes. And although I am not an SNP fan, Alex Salmond suggested when the referendum legislation was being discussed that there should need to be a majority in each constituent part of the UK. So the fact that Scotland and NI voted against would have been enough to scupper leaving. But he was told it wasn't needed because it was only advisory. And, no doubt, because they knew damn well that Scotland would vote to remain.

@Satsumaeater - if she qualifies automatically for an Irish passport (eg Irish born parent) , you will too. But you would have to apply for Irish citizenship first. You don't need her permission. You can get the necessary records yourself to prove your connection to an Irish born grandparent.

@MeganBacon what are the good reasons for leaving? Unable to think of any and no leaver has been able to give me any. Genuinely curious.

I can understand a close (elderly) relative’s basic reason for voting Leave being that the UK had originally joined a trading bloc, rather than the closer ties introduced by Maastricht etc, even though the UK had opt outs for the more contentious issues (and it was clear back in 1974 that the EEC was more than just a trading bloc).

What I don’t understand is that she can’t then think of single thing that the EU has done that has seriously disadvantaged the UK, other than spouting the bendy bananas nonsense. It’s all harking back to the age of Empire and if it all goes tits up it will be all the EU’s fault for being so unreasonable. She’s swallowed the whole JRM claptrap hook, line and sinker, and can’t understand that the world has moved on since the 1950s.

That is possibly part of the problem, the notion that the UK is still an empire. Unless you actually get off the Island you probably won't realise it, especially if you are still surrounded by well built Victorian infrastructure (houses/trains/city centre buildings). When countries such as India got their independence for the average 'Brit' it was a newspaper headline, for the countries leaving it was a new start, whichever way it ultimately went.

Like most leavers (i'm a remainer) i ve pretty much given up on these threads, they are full of doom, gloom and unrealistic despondency.

The reality is we are leaving the EU and that the EU and the UK for all their rhetoric will not want a nation of 64m in turmoil off the coast of mainland Europe.
We ve all seen what happens when you ve "no-deal" over fishing for Scallops, what do you think would happen if the French fishing fleet were barred from 40% of (what would then be) uk sovereign waters post Brexit? and that is just one tiny weeenie aspect of a no-deal.

What do you think would happen to world air flight if Heathrow & Gatwick ground to a halt? 1000s of planes out of position, delays across the world.
Or we couldn't get medicines or food into the country and people started to die as a result? the government would collapse within a week, just look at what happened in the 70s when rubbish wasn't collected and burials didn't happen? a no-deal would make that seem like a picnic.

If they genuinely cannot reach a deal then they'll postpone, just like they did with Greece, kick the can down the road and carry-on as before.

The Empire pretty much came to an end when the Queen became Queen in 1952. If we describe an elderly person as being 75+ , then the Empire was already over when they were a young adult. Quite a lot has happened since then. Including radical changes since they became an adult and yet still a long time ago.
I'm in my 50s. My parents were the wartime generation and were well aware of how grim the war was and how grim life on rations was during AND after the war. My Dad has died by the time the referendum came along, Remain was my mum's last vote before she died.
I'm not sure what "past" the over 70s were harking back to if they voted Leave. They were all young adults in the 50s and 60s.

Kick what can?
What happened in Greece is entirely different.

@ConservativeMummyWummy68 yeah but keep the 'non-negro' one in right? You're a racist dickhead.

Anyone know how to get @ConservativeMummyWummy68 post reported? I can't seem to do it on my phone. Sure looks like a racist post to me.

@MNHQ could you please remove @ConservativeMummyWummy68 post?

No, all my friends and family voted remain.

Looking at the name I'd assume it's meant as satire on those awful brexiteers.

Stupidity abounds.

Unable to decider if it's satire or blatant racism. Still would like @MNHQ to look into it.

Satire or no. It's shit. Reported.

That meme about ‘Doris’ is gross as well, sorry.

Thanks Bellinsurge, I've no idea how to do that on my phone and my screen is cracked which isn't helping. Thank you

That meme about ‘Doris’ is gross as well, sorry.

Why ? It's a perfect truth. It has to be. You might not like the way it's expressed. But that doesn't remove the fact it's a truth. And in being a truth, it does raises some interesting questions.

I suppose i don’t think someone’s vote is less valid due to their age.

My close relationships haven't really been affected. DH was always with me in Remain camp, and we actively avoid any political discussion with his family (I have honestly no idea what they're view on Brexit is - we just tend to disagree on many other ideas). My family are in EU27 and take a bemused, distant view, and don't have a very good grasp on UK domestic affairs in general. (DM especially has a very idealised view of the UK as the land of her favourite - well dead - poets and pretty landscapes, and believes nothing bad can eventually happen in this cradle of civilisation.)

I do have a good friend who I'm not sure voted at all, but sympathised with the Leave campaign on the basis that she genuinely believed the spiel that we're currently paying huge amounts to the EU, without which we could fund the NHS and the welfare society. I do think she's naive, but I'm more angry at the Leave campaign than her personally. I have been very frustrated when talking with her about my personal worries (I'm a EU27 citizen), and her outright dismissing them ("you're married to a Brit, it can't affect you"). But she's my much loved friend, uninformed or not. And if she voted, that vote can't be taken back now, so what's the use being angry with her, really...

I suppose i don’t think someone’s vote is less valid due to their age.

Which is a fair viewpoint. However, in age-inequal societies is there not a danger that a result predicated upon a skewed presentation of people who are unlikely to see the results of that vote could lead to inter-generational strife ?

Personally, I'm not a massive fan of weighting peoples vote - or qualifying conditions. But at the same time, we return to the problem with democracy when it's two lions and a sheep voting for lunch

If we assume it's a problem (I do) then I don't know what the answer is. But I do know it's ducking difficult questions which has got us this far. And I don't mean that in good way

but sympathised with the Leave campaign

There were some very good points made by some Leavers. Personally I felt they were best addressed by the UK being a full participant in the EU, and helping steer the direction of travel, but that was an interesting debate, and made sense. The problem was they were drowned out by the bendy banana brigade added to the send-them-home halfwits.

@Choco1234
These are some of the reasons quoted to me, all argued very reasonably at the time although I can't do them justice here.
Some who know the inner workings of the EU Commission first hand through their work felt it was not something we should be a part of.
Some have contributed to EU legislation and felt we could do a better job if not reliant on agreement of the other 27 countries. They quoted agility a lot.
Some felt that if you can't leave a club, it's a prison (they've really dug their heels in since).
Some (DH's European friends mostly, he has EU passport) felt that for their own countries, the EU was a bad thing that they would not want to be a part of, citing the approach to Greece and quoting a lot of Varoufakis.
Many disagreed with the level of power held by Juncker and more recently Selmayr.
I have friends from Mauritius who felt exporters from their country were disadvantaged because of EU rules.
I have friends in banking who felt that monetary union was unsustainable and we should be as far removed as possible when it implodes (acknowledging that we were already cushioned from that eventuality by having our own currency).
Many believed that "short term issues" with exiting, e.g. the difficulty in getting new trade agreements in time, or temporary supply chain issues, should not take precedence over the longer term benefits.
They generally acknowledged that none of us understood the full implications of leaving because it was badly discussed in the press (still is), and that people voted on the basis of some small aspect of Brexit that chimed with them, because it was all they knew (as opposed to what they were being asked to believe). People were overburdened with the decision, no matter how much effort they put into informing themselves.

Nobody mentioned anything about immigration, ever. Or the NHS slogan. Or any nationalistic British Empire nonsense. Or anything printed in The Sun/Mail. I just have no idea who those people are. Obviously I live in a bubble.

They were all reasonable people trying to balance the pros and cons of a very important decision which was absolutely not clear cut (reflected in the result) so no reason to fall out at all.