Is a No Deal exit really a possibility?

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Is there really a risk of a No Deal for Britain leaving Europe or are they making it sound even more of an utter shambles (if that's possible), so that whatever deal we leave with won't be quite so bad in comparison?

I've derailed my own thread slightly by illustrating why a proportion of voters were motivated to support the leave campaign.
No
Your thread has utterly succeeded in drilling down to the core point behind the vote
which is NOT the EU

What annoys me most about Brexit is that when it is a total and utter failure all those mad brexiteers will be claiming it's due to government mishandling rather than their own absolutely idiotic decision

So to sum up the previous page. People are upset that food is too expensive on one hand, but then the object to 'slave' labour from Eastern EU who are doing the crap jobs that UK citizens won't, but they want the Eastern Europeans removed.
Please tell me how this gets resolved.

Realistically the issue with pickers is the supermarkets and gangmasters, not the price of food for consumers, the EU, etc. (The exceptions to this are meat and milk which should cost more, particularly milk.)

The fines and punishments clearly aren't high enough deterrent. I think the land should be taken off owners if they are found to be using slave labour and the supermarket names and shamed.

It's all supermarkets. I know in the transcript it refers to Asda specifically but the reality is that produce in the picking and packaging factory's is graded so that places like M&S / Waitrose / Booths get first pick, Tesco's / Sainsbury's / Asda gets next pick, Aldi / Lidl / Netto gets last pick and the remaining is for market. Or at least it was that way when I worked in them.

GreyGardens88 absolutely. None of it will be down to the simple fact that there was a vote to leave without knowing what it actually means.

When will the campaigns start for Britain to rejoin the EU?

We don't need a 'rejoin' campaign yet as we haven't left yet.
By EU rules if you go 'out' you can't reapply for 20 years (??)
IF the UK did not recover financially it will fail the 'entrance test' so the unicorns really must be VERY special.
Other countries had 'massaged' the figures to gain entry, but then were found wanting.
Money is being wasted throughout the world as all countries that deal with the UK are having to make preparations. With the amount of cost this is FORCING the other countries to spend there will be a point where many will just say 'F off' and not be prepared to deal with the UK particularly as the UK will be a poor credit risk where is 'normal' life a poorly (rated) customer goes onto a 'cash only' basis. I am sure the new 'middle class' in India and China will be happy to buy 'slight surplus' BMW and Nissan products.
As shoppers if we have a 'bad experience' in a particular shop we simply go elsewhere. The amount of 'stuff' that is uniquely 'British' is quite small.
When your small child is 'acting up' how long do you give it before getting 'heavy' with them?

Oh fffffffgckkkkkkkk....

I think the UK government are a lot less incompetent and a lot more cunning than people believe they are. The spiralling deficit was always going to result in an uncertain future for the UK and Brexit has been engineered as a way to blame the people for the desperate times ahead of us, particularly the poorest people.

I'm a remainer. I do not trust our government at all. The EU are actually our friends by comparison.

We will end up with no deal and a chaotic, desperate situation. I think the government want this. They wanted this from the start.

I don’t understand why the UK didn’t implement the 3 month rule?

I think they're more cunning than people believe but I don't think they've done it so they can lay blame on the people when it all goes tits up. Historically, they've always had a whipping dog in the form of Labour and the EU.

I think it's been led by a vocal minority who are doing it for personal gain. Farage and Rees-Mogg have already moved their money out of the UK. When the £ crashes further, they're set to cash in. They are doing what the Tories have always done and creating a system where the rich get richer and poor get poorer but this time on a massive scale.

I mean, regardless of what you think of them they are educated people with a reasonable level of intelligence. There is no way they think Brexit is best for the country. Brexit is, however, best for them.

The direction the UK is being taken is certainly very unpleasant but I can see what the last couple of posters are meaning. JRM and some of his 'crew' are sufficiently out of the limelight that they can spout whatever crap that suits their agenda without breaking into a sweat because they are not being grilled hard about it and it can be suitably 'vague' whereas Mr Raab whether he truly believes or not was clearly uncomfortable (profuse sweating) in having to deliver the first batch of the Tech documents and answer questions.

Mr Raab whether he truly believes or not was clearly uncomfortable (profuse sweating) in having to deliver the first batch of the Tech documents and answer questions

Raab's body language suggested that he knew that what he was presenting was a crock of shite. It was on a par with Theresa May coughing and whispering her way through her Conference speech. She also knew that she was spouting nonsense and no matter how hard she tried to engage her mouth, her subconscious brain kept getting in the way.

The worrying question is why do they continue to do this to themselves? Is someone holding a gun to their heads? Is someone pulling strings in the background and Raab and May are just the mouthpieces for something else? Can it really be the case that a dozen disaster capitalists, along with their brainwashed cheerleaders, are in charge of deciding the fate of 60 million people in what is supposed to be a democracy?

Will any MPs reappear in parliament after their summer break?
Will we see 500 'sick notes' saying they got sunburn/summer cold/bad toe/whatever so they can't make it in to face the crap?

Don't forget that in a country which has had austerity forced upon it, many people will be dependent on cheap food. Now it would be a good thing if prices rose, and it forced wages up also. [Can't find the flying pig emoticon.]

With regard to what havananana was saying about the motivation behind supporting Brexit, I wonder this about politicians as a whole. It’s like Sarah Wollaston as an example - she’s an nhs doctor so eminently decent and intelligent, presumably cares about the plight of the most vulnerable in society but if you examine her voting record she’s voted along typically Tory lines - against a modest increase in benefits and against tax rises for the wealthiest. Admittedly she was initially eurosceptic but has since changed her mind. Dominic Raab, son of a Jewish refugee, I believe but an arch brexiteer Obviously erudite, highly intelligent, incisive in his role as a lawyer but determined to ignore all the evidence that Brexit will be a bloody shambles - I just don’t get it

My DH and his best friend both went to Cambridge,both are senior management professionals and both voted Leave. I want to bang their heads together and shout Wake Up! I spoke to DH this morning about moving money abroad (a la JRM, as posted by a PP) and he got a bit shirty.

I'm going to stockpile. We're lucky because any price increase means we won't have a holiday next year, we won't do up the house, we downscale a bit. I don't know how people are going to cut back when they've got nothing in the first place. Politicians and councillors don't care. I wish Labour would sort itself out. Part of me thinks that if Ed hadn't stood against David Miliband then none of this shitstorm would have happened. Where's that bloody Edstone now? (Clearly goes off topic).

I don’t understand why the UK didn’t implement the 3 month rule?

It opens the ID card can of worms. In order to know how long EU migrants are in the country, you need a proper registration system. Most other European countries have an ID card system for all citizens.

Yup,
Brits are not required to carry ID or hold any official ID
pretty unusual in Yerp
and the Home Office immigration records are an utter and complete joke