A questions about brexit - flights

[Stripybeachbag]

Can you buy flights between Europe and the UK after 29th March 2019? I checked a couple of airlines, e.g. Heathrow - Paris, and none were available. I haven't obviously got the time to check all routes with all airlines. Has anyone bought a holiday or flight after March next year?

I don't think they're released yet.

I live in the US.

I've just used Hipmunk & can get prices to London from Canada, and also from London to Paris. I put in March 30 as dep. date for both.

Flights are release 365 days in advance so there should be flights available. I have flights booked beyond March.

Do factor in that with a Hard Brexit we will no longer be eligible to use the EU lines at the border and will have to use the rest of world lines which are usually much longer. We may also need to apply to a visa waiver prior to travel, like we do for the US.

We may also need to apply to a visa waiver prior to travel, like we do for the US.
If there is a no deal Brexit, there will be no Visa waiver agreement
not sure what the rules will be ....

check the small print. I've read on here that some airlines are saying there will not be a refund/compensation if there's a hard Brexit. They don't word it like that but there's the gist. Not sure if its true.

You need to check for Ts and Cs that state airlines are not liable for “the actions of national or local governments” or similar. Nice catch all.

British Airways has that in its package deals Ts and Cs.

www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/legal/package-booking-terms-and-conditions

My travel insurance says the same about not being responsible for government action. So it doesn't spell out Brexit in plain English, but you can bet that if we tried to claim for not being able to travel as a result, this clause would be invoked.

The airlines can't refuse a refund. If they don't provide the service they can't expect to be paid. That's simple consumer law and it doesn't matter if it's out of their control or not.

That's not the same as saying they're not responsible for other losses eg hotel expenses and the like.

You might also be able to claim from your credit card company if you pay that way (even just a deposit as long as it's over £100).

However, I'm not booking anything for post-Brexit but given my son has GCSEs next year we wouldn't be going anywhere in the Easter holidays or May half term anyway.

The airlines can't refuse a refund.
I believe they can if it is caused by "extraordinary circumstances"? This includes political unrest.

I think the existing flight compensation regulations are currently EU ones anyway, so who knows what, if anything, we would have in place in the event of no deal.

Flights are release 365 days in advance so there should be flights available. I have flights booked beyond March.

You might have flights booked, but without an Agreement in place to replace Open Skies, you're not going anywhere from the UK and nor are you landing in the UK.

This from Inghams' Ts&Cs:

At present, the Changes in Law [following Brexit] that we consider are most likely to occur and, in turn, affect your chosen arrangements are as follows:
a) ...
b) A potential inability for British airlines to operate flights into / out of the European Union and, conversely, an inability for European airlines to operate into / out of the United Kingdom. The result of this may be that we are unable to provide you either with the flights that you have booked or indeed any replacement flights.

Open Skies governs almost all international flights to and from the UK, including to USA and Canada.

you're not going anywhere from the UK and nor are you landing in the UK
I wonder how many countries apart from the USSR and China have effectively imprisoned an entire populace.

I wonder how many countries apart from the USSR and China have effectively imprisoned an entire populace.

North Korea?

I wonder how many countries apart from the USSR and China have effectively imprisoned an entire populace

Finally it is beginning to dawn on people. The plan for Britannia Unchained is not freedom - quite the opposite. The Berlin Wall/Iron Curtain was not built to keep foreigners out of Eastern Europe - it was built to prevent the population from leaving so that their skills and labour could be exploited for the good of the mother country.

The 'Freedom' that the Brexit cheerleaders are promoting is the freedom for them to remove consumer and employee protection, remove minimum wages, dismantle Health and Safety regulations and destroy the Welfare State so that the UK can compete on the world stage with the low-wage countries.

Flights are release 365 days in advance so there should be flights available. I have flights booked beyond March.

Would that it were so simple, to coin a phrase.

Flights are certainly available, plenty have been released up to august of next year and in some cases beyond but as others have said there are many operators who have exclusions in their terms and conditions.

I will not book ANY flights in or out of the UK for after 29th March until I've seen a signed agreement that covers Open Skies

Lots of people are still booking though. BF is flying out of the country on 30th March.

Or at least she thinks she is...

I have flights booked in August, if they aren't sorted by then we're fucked completely!

I'm so annoyed about this! I haven't been out of the country for about 10 years (couldn't afford it) and I've only just recently managed to get passports for me and the 3 dcs. I wanted to book us a family holiday for next summer to Europe somewhere as have always promised the dcs I'd take them abroad at least once. Now I don't know what to do... I voted remain btw.

My oh voted leave (we weren't together then) and I keep asking him what's going to happen and he keeps saying 'it'll all be fine' and that it's just hysteria. I try not to talk about Brexit too much with him as it's one of the only things we disagree on.

AlphaJuno I would say wait a few months, we should know more in December / January. I’m pretty sure they will work something out on flights if nothing else, but there might be a bumpy ride in the spring with the airports closed for a couple of months (this is what Heathrow are planning for). The time to avoid flying is March-May, but I would avoid booking anything for the summer until we know more to avoid losing your deposit / flights.

Thanks missmoon I think I'll leave it a few months at least as just don't want to be out of pocket. As some are saying we may not be eligible for refunds and insurance won't always cover it. Watching closely to see what happens!

Even in the event of a no deal Brexit I find it hard to believe that they won't quickly cobble together something on flights.

The original Open Skies deals to years to put together.
What makes you think that a replacement will be any quicker ?

What makes you think that a replacement will be any quicker ?

Because they won't need to come up with a permanent replacement in the short term, they just need to find a cobbled together temporary measure, most likely a continuation of the current agreements for a few years.

And yes, I know that will require Theresa May to cross her red lines, but if that's what she's forced to do that's what's she'll do (or what her successor will do).

So the UK limps along on cobbled together deals one year at a time
Great