A questions about brexit - flights

[Stripybeachbag]

Can you buy flights between Europe and the UK after 29th March 2019? I checked a couple of airlines, e.g. Heathrow - Paris, and none were available. I haven't obviously got the time to check all routes with all airlines. Has anyone bought a holiday or flight after March next year?

runningkeenster
If you paid a plumber to do a job over several days
and in between some of those days your house burned down so there was no way they could finish the job
they would not be required to repay you for work from which you could not benefit
rock solid contract law

if you pay an airline for tickets
which as a result of politicians stupidity the airline cannot complete
it is not their problem

Badly.

US offers UK inferior open skies deal after Brexit

The 'open skies' row shows how Trump will explot Brexit at Britain's cost

My god, it just keeps getting worse.

AnnieKenney

Neither of those should come as a surprise - they're nearly 6 months old ...

Thanks Annie that really is badly.

European airlines/airports will be putting pressure on the EU to prevent any glitches in continuing operations.

Don’t bet on that. From the FT on 7th March 2018:

What do the Germans think? Carsten Spohr, boss of Lufthansa, made a pointedly political intervention. Flight disruption, he said, was one of the ways the airline industry could show the Brits the full consequences of the Leave vote and “that might be a good thing”.

European airports - of the Hub variety will be breaking out the bubbly if the UK leaves Open skies

International tourists and business people will just base their trips in Paris or Brussels of Madrid or Dusseldorf rather than London

and the number of southern Europeans visiting the UK is a teeny fraction of the number of Brits who fly to the med.

Heathrow as a 'hub' was always crap. Transiting at Schipol was being treated like a valued customer compared to Heathrow cattle market.
I suppose with so much 'duty free' shopping available they may as well add a couple more shops and abandon the concept of flying from there.

My sil is getting married in the US in April :(
I’m wondering if DH should fly over early......

.....ds also has his GCSEs so we need to get in and out smoothly.... :(

DH and the kids are American, will that help at all?

Nationality is UTTERLY irrelevant ... its about landing permissions

If I were you I'd Eurostar (which will be largely unaffected by Brexit ) to Belgium
and fly from there
= no stress

So the problem is not with us, it’s with planes?
Why are trains ok?
Ferries are ok too I guess?

Open skies agreement - covers EVERY airport in the UK

utterly unknown customs rules will hit ferries and trains

Ok, so likely to go through “nothing to declare” channel?

You are missing the point.
the plane cannot land.
its not about customs
its about plane crashes and hijacks

these deals go back to sorting out the mess of the 60's
and the UK is about to walk away from the lot

so no other country will be insured to deal with them

....you mentioned customs rules.....?

Ferries are ok too I guess
No.

How come trains are ok but not ferries?

The issue with flying is not about crashes or hijacks or any physical attribute. It is down to certification of every aspect, planes, pilots, airports, maintenance. Unless agreements and certificates are in place nothing can move, it won't be insured for a start.
Ferries may also be affected directly for similar reasons.
If the UK truly does 'crash out' there is a possibility that you will need a visa to get into Europe which if the decision is left to the last minutes (technically possible) then obviously you won't be able to get a visa 'instantly' to use on Brexit morning.
There is nothing at all 'wrong' with any of the infrastructure but simply that in the case of no deal nothing can legally move across any border from the UK as it will be uninsurable.

There is a good chance that Eurostar/tunnel traffic will not run for a while too for the same 'uninsurable' reason until the necessary legal documentation is signed.
The main thin is nobody KNOWS.

What about cruise ships departing from Southampton? Been considering this type of holiday if flights not an option. I know many of them are registered elsewhere (so that they can pay the staff lower wages) so would this type of travel be affected by Brexit?

Cruise ships would be affected by the trading agreements so again you would have to go into the fine print. There would be a contract of some sort between your travel agent and the cruise provider perhaps that might be cancelled. Again Passport and Visa requirements are not necessarily 'secure'.

Could someone please explain the insurance point. I keep seeing that people won’t be able to send us goods because they are uninsurable - but why? Why can’t they get insurance? Why does it matter?

Could someone please explain the insurance point

As this is a thread about flights, I assume that you mean insurance for aviation. [I make no comment here regarding the likelihood or desirability of a No-Deal Brexit]

If there is no other Agreement in place, on 29th March the UK leaves the EU. This means that all certifications for aircraft, pilots, engineers, maintenance facilities, aircrew, air traffic control and airports etc. all cease to be valid.

Think of it being just like your car's MOT and your own driving license. If on 29th March your car's MOT ceases to be valid and your driving license also becomes invalid, then your insurance also becomes invalid and you cannot legally drive anywhere.

As flights are highly regulated UK aircraft and pilots would be refused permission to fly into any countries airspace or land at any airports. Foreign aircraft could no longer fly to the UK as airports and ground handling facilities would no longer be certified. This applies to all commercial flights - passenger and freight aircraft - so transportation of parcels, medicines, isotopes etc. is also affected.

You can read the long version >

ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/brexit-notice-to-stakeholders-aviation-safety.pdf

I suppose, thinking aloud, that if the CAA and UK insurers were encouraged to get their finger out then flying could be possible WITHIN the UK so that would include NI, which would certainly boost their holiday industry. Mind you I suspect many in NI will be severely pissed off at the rest of the UK (basically England and some of Wales) having 'f$%^ed them over' (again), so may not get the warmest of welcomes.